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 Post subject: The Official Game Thread
PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:44 am 
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Hey everybody!

I was thinking...A music trivia, brain-teaser, quiz-bowl, type of thing is just what this forum needs. Perfect during those seasonal 'posting brownouts'. Let the games begin!

Okay, to make this go more smoothly we need to agree on some ground rules.

1- At any given moment, only 1 person is allowed to pose questions and/or new material. That person is said to be, "in control of the board".

2- The person who first correctly answers the most questions, wins the game and the right to pose the next set of Q's.

3- Google-ing is allowed. However, try to come up with your answers through honest thought, not just a reflex google search.

4- All posts in this thread should remain mostly on topic...mostly.

5- Use of Pianosociety bandwidth for posting audio clips is allowed (as per Robert). Bit rates should be limited to 96kbps.

6- Any copyrighted audio should be limited to 30 second clips. Posting audio clips for this purpose does not constitute copyright infringement.

7- After the end of each round of Q&A, audio clips should be deleted by the poster, to save space.

8- In the event of a tie, there shall be a tie-breaker question posted by the one in control of the board. The person who first answers the tie-breaker question correctly wins.

9- At any time, the winner may give control of the board to anyone else.

10- Quizzes may cover any topic. However, at least half of each round of Q's should be about classical piano music.

11- The questions may be posed in any form: textual, audial, visual---the more variety, the better!

I'll be working on a set of audio clips for the first round...this could take a while...in the meantime, let's make small talk.

Has anyone seen the new episode of South Park? The Easter Bunny...PEEEEEEPS! :lol:

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Ok... I'll be the first one to ask questions ;)
Name these 2 pieces


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Yeah. This will be fun! :D

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Those sound Rachmaninov-ish ...that's all I know 8)

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2. Scriabin Piano Concerto


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schmonz: correct!

Hint:
The first one doesn't include piano at all


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Hey, it's different now. I swear the first time I listened I heard piano. Or maybe this is the second one? Or is this the one that schmonz guessed correctly? Or...forget it...I don't know what it is, anyway. Can we have more hints?

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I'm completely stumped. :?

Schmonz is in an unloseable position. Will someone tie the game?

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I don't think I have ever heard this snippet before. It is certainly not 'familiar repertoire' and because of that, a fragment should be considerably longer.

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I know I've heard this before. Is it from the 1940 Disney movie Fantasia? I can't remember, but I think I heard this in a movie.

Am I getting warmer?

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PJF wrote:
Am I getting warmer?

You should be. Spring is coming in :lol:

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techneut wrote:
PJF wrote:
Am I getting warmer?

You should be. Spring is coming in :lol:


Not here. It's freezing. :(

I think Julius is right - it's something by Rachmaninoff. (or Stravinski, or Prokofiev, or Tchaikovsky)

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pianolady wrote:
techneut wrote:
PJF wrote:
Am I getting warmer?

You should be. Spring is coming in :lol:


Not here. It's freezing. :(

I think Julius is right - it's something by Rachmaninoff. (or Stravinski, or Prokofiev, or Tchaikovsky)


I was referring to the Scriabin piece that is no longer attached

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techneut wrote:
PJF wrote:
Am I getting warmer?

You should be. Spring is coming in :lol:


We were treated (in south LA) to three hours of sleet this afternoon. Last week we were swimming.

About the questions, Kschyschtoff do you have a hint for us?

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PJF wrote:
techneut wrote:
PJF wrote:
Am I getting warmer?

You should be. Spring is coming in :lol:


We were treated (in south LA) to three hours of sleet this afternoon. Last week we were swimming.


Yeah, and us Midwesterners are enjoying the nice 28 degree F weather (-2 deg. C.), two weeks ago it was 84 F. (23 C.) :roll:


I think Kschystoff forgot about us.

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Pete - maybe you can post your questions, now? I think we have given up on Kschyschtoff's.

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No, no, I didn't forget you ;) I just went to my family because of Easter.
Ok... The first one was "Von der Jugend" from Mahler's "Das Lied von Der Erde"...

the next one to ask questions is schmonz


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Thanks K. That was indeed challenging, you had us all stumped. Was that last piece part of some Cecil B. DeMille epic? It sounds like a trying scene from "The Ten Commandments".

Schmonz, batter up! Try to make the next round 10-20 questions long (but there's no rush!) If you want some time to prepare, I can go first. Whatever you prefer.

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I'm cooking up some samples right now. Hang on...


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 Post subject: Schmonz's Big Fat Quiz
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27 pieces, 27 excerpts. I'm pretty sure I could identify each piece, so this should be fair game. Have at it!

Post #1 of 3 (maximum 10 attachments per post).


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 Post subject: Re: Schmonz's Big Fat Quiz
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Post #2 of 3 (maximum 10 attachments per post).


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 Post subject: Re: Schmonz's Big Fat Quiz
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Post #3 of 3 (maximum 10 attachments per post).


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Ask and you shall receive... :lol:

Let the games begin!

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Gah. I listened to all of these and cannot name anything. I'm a nobody... :cry:

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I know...Medner!

(don't worry, Chaotica - I have a few ideas but I'm out of time and can't pin anything down, either. I'm going to have to listen to them all over again later.)

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11 - Alkan, Etude op.39 no 12 "Le Festin D'Esope"
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Kschyschtoff has correctly identified #11! First correct answer of this batch. I've edited the post and commented #11 accordingly.

Chaotica: fret not, this is a tough quiz. I have weird taste.

Pianolady gets unofficial credit and my appreciation for knowing what I like. :-)

Some early hints:

    1. None of the above was composed by Bach, Beethoven, Brahms, Chopin, Debussy, Grieg, Liszt, Mozart, Rachmaninov, Ravel, Schubert, or Schumann (not that I don't like these guys, but everyone knows about them already)
    2. Six of the composers responsible for the above pieces have recordings on this very site -- and at least one of the above pieces is available from Piano Society
    3. One of the composers is Medtner
    4. Some composers are represented by multiple pieces
    5. Look for patterns, you may find a few!


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 Post subject: Re: Schmonz's Big Fat Quiz
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schmonz wrote:
27 pieces, 27 excerpts. I'm pretty sure I could identify each piece, so this should be fair game.

Yes I am sure you could, having picked them... :roll:

It's a wicked selection indeed, but with some fascinating material. It would seem my knowledge is sorely lacking as I could only identify about half of them, and not all with total accuracy.

2 - Alkan: Sonata Op.33 Les Quatre Ages, 1st mvt.
5 - Ginastera: Sonara para piano, 2nd mvt
6 - Medtner surely ? But cannot name the piece.
7 - Granados: La maya y el Ruisignor, from Goyescas
9 - Medtner: Skazka Op.26 No.1
11- Alkan: Le festin d'Esope, Var.XXII
12 - One of Medtner's piano concertos, not sure which one of the 3
15 - Medtner: Sonata Tragica
16 - Mompou: Cancion y Danza No.7
17 - Franck: Prelude, Choral and Fugue (the fugue)
18 - Surely Medtner, but what ????
19 - This must be Kapustin but could well be Evans or someone else jazzy
21 - Medtner: Skazka Op.20 No.1
22 - Likely Schumann or Mendelssohn, but maybe not...
24 - Medtner: Sonata Triade, OP.11 No.2
26 - I know this but can't pinpoint it. Finale of Rach's first concerto ?
27 - Must be a Medtner sonara, but which ? One of the Op.53 ?

10 positives then, and some more or less educated guesses. Say schmontz, have you perchance a thing about Medtner ?

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 Post subject: Re: Schmonz's Big Fat Quiz
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techneut wrote:
It would seem my knowledge is sorely lacking as I could only identify about half of them, and not all with total accuracy.


Shameful, really! You're a walking piano encyclopedia with a few missing entries. :-)

Correct: 2, 5, 7, 9, 15, 16, 17, 21, 24 (11 was already taken; impressive that you found which variation it was, I'll have to take your word on that). I've credited you for these. Gonna be tough to beat.

Partially correct: 6, 12, 18, 19, 27. On the right track, but no credit for these yet.

Off the mark: 27 (it's actually an early Medtner work), 26 (wrong composer), 22 (wrong composer).

techneut wrote:
Say schmontz, have you perchance a thing about Medtner ?


It's possible, I ought to get that checked out... :-p


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If it's possible to get more partial credit - (although I know it's impossible to beat Chris, and maybe someone in the meantime will be precise with these) I'd guess that #4 is Gershwin, #10 possibly Joplin or Bolcom, #13 Gershwin or Bolcom, and Rachmaninov on #20, 21 25 and 26.

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None of these is right. But but but! 4 and 10 are in the neighborhood, 20 and 26 are indeed by behind-the-times Romantic-idiom composers (as is 13), and 25 is indeed by a Russian.

21 has already been claimed (it's Medtner -- as close to Rachmaninov's style as he ever got).


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Oh, sorry. I give up. :(

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Well, your guesses were very good. If and when you have more, you can un-give up at any time. :-)


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Well, this is an education! I really like this music, and I know not a single one (cut me some slack, I'm only 27!) :lol:

Anyhoo, what's the score now?

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I'm only 28! When I stopped playing, I became a hard-core listener. It's a tradeoff: you can play Chopin etudes, and I can come up with piano quiz questions. (Massive understatement: I'm glad to be playing again. :-))

Current scores:
techneut: 9 (plus a handful of correct composers, which could conceivably break a tie)
Kschyschtoff: 1

What do you think, should I keep dropping hints for another couple days and then reveal the remaining answers?


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Maybe you can do the 'big reveal' on Friday? Give someone who may be currently pulling out all their albums a chance to get a few more.

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#13 is so familiar -- like I swear I've taught in the past but at a slower tempo. Is it something you learned as a student around 4th year of childhood studies, Schmonz? I've forwarded the clip to a colleague here to see if she recognizes it as something possibly from the Royal Conservatory syllabus.

#14 I love, but have NO IDEA where it comes from. It conjures up images of Fred Flintstone in his leotard, tippy-toeing gracefully at ballet lessons. Do the Europeans know who Fred Flintstone is? Macho cartoon character from around the 1960s who was told in one episode that some ballet lessons would improve his bowling skills.


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Heh, now that you mention it, I see what you mean. A light piece by a usually very serious composer, though there are some clues to his identity in the figuration and harmony.

I'm not sure whether I'd be surprised if #13 is on any syllabi anywhere. On the one hand, it sure sounds like the sort of thing that could be. On the other hand, the composer is not well known. (On the third hand, sometimes it's those guys who wind up being used for didactic purposes.)


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Thanks, Schmonz. Those are good clues. Am going to take a break from taking bikini pics of self at the piano and look through my teaching books again this afternoon. No students this week, as it is Easter Break here in Canada, and maybe in USA too, so should have time to figure this out.


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Nicole wrote:
#13 is so familiar -- like I swear I've taught in the past but at a slower tempo. Is it something you learned as a student around 4th year of childhood studies, Schmonz? I've forwarded the clip to a colleague here to see if she recognizes it as something possibly from the Royal Conservatory syllabus.

Doesn't it sound familiar indeed.... I have never heard any music by Billy Mayerl but somehow I think this is how it might sound.

BTW I believe #12 to be Medtner's 2nd Piano Concerto.

And #25 is Medtner's Ein Idyll, from 3 Arabesken Op.7. Hadn't played this for ages that is why I could not place it immediately. Phew, just in time before Arensky got that one :lol:

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+2 to Chris (I happen to know that you meant #27 instead of #25). Nicely done!

+1 to Nicole (unofficial) for titillating commentary!

Reminder: Chris was right when he said that #19 must be Kapustin.

Clue: there is more Alkan yet to be identified.

Clue: it so happens that the composer of every piece whose number is evenly divisible by 3 is Medtner.


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schmonz wrote:
I'm only 28! When I stopped playing, I became a hard-core listener. It's a tradeoff: you can play Chopin etudes, and I can come up with piano quiz questions. (Massive understatement: I'm glad to be playing again. :-))


What do you think, should I keep dropping hints for another couple days and then reveal the remaining answers?


I've been meaning to do more listening (and I'm glad to hear of your increase in playing)...thank God we've got plenty of time, being only 28 and 27! :lol:

Drop hints at your discretion but don't give the answers too soon. If the scores are really close, wait longer and if there's a decisive winner, less. Three to seven days between the last correct response and the revealing of answers, maybe? I don't know; it's entirely up to you.

Chris is close!

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schmonz wrote:
+2 to Chris (I happen to know that you meant #27 instead of #25). Nicely done!

Oops yes of course. I have a way with numbers.
+1 to Nicole (unofficial) for titillating commentary!

schmonz wrote:
Clue: there is more Alkan yet to be identified.

That surely must be the one I thought was Schumann or Mendelssohn. It could be one of his Esquisses, but I thought I knew all of these and yet did not recognize this piece. Must check tonight.

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Clue: it so happens that the composer of every piece whose number is evenly divisible by 3 is Medtner.

Hm, I did not flag 3 and 18 as Medtner. Gotta listen again tonight and dig out my Medtner books. We should rename this "The Medtner Quiz" :lol:

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I've identified #6, it's Medtner's - Sonate Orageuse Op. 53 No.2. Can't identify the other Medtners (3 and 18) nor any other Alkan (I think it might be 22 but no idea what). So this is it for me.

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Right on the nose! It's the furious climax of this furious sonata (which I know as "Minacciosa", though I've heard the French also), whose very modern sound shows that even the monk-like Medtner was not impervious to the sounds his contemporaries were making. Of course, in his inimitable style, he then goes and pairs it with the deliberately provocatively titled "Sonata Romantica." Off the top of my head, a few other cases where outside cultural influences found their way into Medtner's music: the Op. 26 #3 Skazka has some jazz-inspired chord progressions (though they're not written at all jazzily), and Op. 38 #2 and Op. 54 #6 are ragtime in everything but name. Doubtless there are other examples. Someday I'll do a full writeup. :-)

Let's summarize what we know about the remaining pieces, and throw in a few hints:

1 is by a European fellow who shared some aesthetic sympathies with Medtner (I believe they met, or at least corresponded by letter), though this guy wrote rather more floridly. Extremely colorful and detailed figurations.
3 is Medtner. But which piece?
4 is by an American fellow. Don't know too much about him but it's not surprising that this piece is from the 1920s.
8 is Alkan. Which?
10 is by an Australian who later became a music educator in New York.
13 is by a Russian contemporary of Medtner's who similarly had a rough go of things due to politics and a so-called outdated Romantic idiom. This guy is not in the same league but wrote charming works which deserve to be heard. I've seen his name mentioned on the forum before.
14 is by a gent who wrote intricate polyphonic music, both original and derivative works. Some of the latter have been criticized as disrespectful to the originals, but are increasingly appreciated by connoisseurs.
18 is Medtner (from an opus mentioned in this post). Which?
19 is Kapustin. Which?
20 is by an American who later became a music educator in New York.
22 is indeed Alkan. Which?
23 is by a Russian fellow esteemed for his otherworldly playing of Scriabin and Bach and loved for his teaching.
25 is by a rare Russian fellow who liked Wagner.
26 is by an Eastern European admirer of Brahms. His grandson is a highly regarded conductor.


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#25 Lyapunov?

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3 is Medtner. But which piece?


Lyrisch Fragment op.23 nr.2

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8 is Alkan. Which?


Prelude op.31 nr.14

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10 is by an Australian who later became a music educator in New York.


Grainger: cakewalk Smasher (from Cook's "In Dahomay")

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14 is by a gent who wrote intricate polyphonic music, both original and derivative works. Some of the latter have been criticized as disrespectful to the originals, but are increasingly appreciated by connoisseurs.


Godowsky: Spieldose (from Triakontameron)

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19 is Kapustin. Which?


Bagatella op.59 nr.9

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22 is indeed Alkan. Which?


Nocturne op.22

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26 is by an Eastern European admirer of Brahms. His grandson is a highly regarded conductor.


Dohnanyi: Piano Concerto op.5

Too sleepy to keep up searching.
Going to bed now, goodnight to this side of Piano Society and good morning to the other one.

alf

Btw, thank you for digging up this stuff. How much good music around covered with dust!


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coccobill gets 3, 10, 14, 19, 22. Extremely close on 8 as well. Maybe we have different numberings or something. 26 is indeed a Dohnányi concerto but not the fifth (I don't think he wrote that many).

That's 5 (very nearly 6). Well done!


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I give up. This is getting MUCH too difficult and specialistic. Bit of a private joke between you and me because of all the Medtner.

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Extremely close on 8 as well. Maybe we have different numberings or something.


That's weird! Isn't that "Le Temps qui n'est plus" from the 25 Preludes op.31? On my score it gets number 14. :?

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26 is indeed a Dohnányi concerto but not the fifth (I don't think he wrote that many).


It's not the fifth, it is the first, in e minor (opus 5, as I wrote). :)

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