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 Post subject: Faure - Barcarolle no. 10 in A minor
PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:53 pm 
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I like this because of the way it ends. It's back and forth between major and minor and you think it's setting down and going to end sweetly, but is it? Well...you'll just have to listen if you want to find out. :) Also, I think it is really neat how Faure wove the melody line into the LH toward one of the latter sections. It mimics the opening section but with some slight harmonic differences.

Faure - Barcarolle No. 10 in A minor, Op. 104, no. 2

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 Post subject: Re: Faure - Barcarolle no. 10 in A minor
PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:29 am 
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What coincidence. I'm working on this one too, together with the Op.90, 96, and 101 Barcarolles.

Well played, if a bit slowish.
Some minor points. In the opening bars I think the rests are a bit too abrupt, disrupting the gentle rocking flow. In several places you repeat notes that are tied over. That should only be done when the second note has a dot, as in bar 4 (an ambquous notation IMO). Lastly the sections with the running 16ths in the LH are a bit overpedaled - whereas elsewhere I would have liked a bit more pedal. But overall, a convincing performance.

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 Post subject: Re: Faure - Barcarolle no. 10 in A minor
PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 2:11 pm 
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Wow, that is a coincidence!! I didn't think anyone even knew of this piece!! :shock:

Anway, I think my tempo is okay. A barcarolle shouldn't go too fast...it just doesn't fit.
I deliberately made those rests obvious. Too me, it adds even more of a rocking motion. Guess I'll see when you play your version if I like it better your way or not. As to the tied over with a dot note: All of mine have a dot! And they should because it's a pattern throughout the whole piece. You might want to put on glasses to see your copy better..... :lol:

Thanks for listening! :)

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 Post subject: Re: Faure - Barcarolle no. 10 in A minor
PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 3:05 pm 
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pianolady wrote:
As to the tied over with a dot note: All of mine have a dot! And they should because it's a pattern throughout the whole piece. You might want to put on glasses to see your copy better..... :lol:

I don't need no glasses, and you have a problem with dots as always. See attached shot of some bars from page 1. Only the first has dots, but you play as if all three have them. BTW I listened to Collard's recording on YT to make sure I didn't misunderstand.

Ok, the pauses and tempo are a matter of taste.

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 Post subject: Re: Faure - Barcarolle no. 10 in A minor
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Now I got inspired, and could not resist setting down my version too, which was almost there but not quite. I'll post it here as we don't need 2 threads for the same piece. While I said yours was slowish, mine is actually slightly longer :lol: So, ahem. And it is not necessarily better, or course.

Faure - Barcarolle No. 10 in A minor, Op.104 No.2 (3:56)

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 Post subject: Re: Faure - Barcarolle no. 10 in A minor
PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:27 pm 
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You forgot stinkin'. You don't need no stinkin' glasses.... :lol:

And I do not have a problem with dots! You didn't attach anything, but I'm attaching the first page of my copy. Except....it's very weird. I don't know where I got this copy. It's not in IMSLP or Hawley's site. I'm baffled! On Youtube I listened to Pierre-Alain Volondat (did not see a recording by Collard). You are right in that he doesn't play every dot like I do. But see on my page--specifically bars 10, 12 and 13. There are dots there! Still, every version on IMSLP and Hawleys there are not all the dots, so I think I may have to re-record. I don't want to be the only one in the whole world playing those notes....


And now I just listened to your recording. I heard a couple notes that sound wrong to me, but maybe that's because this music is fresh in my ears and again the scores could be different. Are you sure you want to slow down so much at the end, though? There is no marking directing that. Anyway, it's played ok and your tempo is good :wink: (hahaha because you listened to mine first and then the one on Youtube). :)


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 Post subject: Re: Faure - Barcarolle no. 10 in A minor
PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:30 pm 
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Doan need no stinkin' glassuhs, indeed that was it.

Ah the attachment, sure. Here it is. This is from my Heugel edition, which I trust better than your copy. See the letters E.P at the bottom... a stinkin' Edition Peters copy ! Where do you GET that stuff ! It's not good for you !

Yes there are some slips in my version. That is your fault, otherwise I would not have recorded it today :-P
And I like slowing down at quiet endings, whether a composer writes it or not.


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 Post subject: Re: Faure - Barcarolle no. 10 in A minor
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That's a weird-looking attachment. Did you mean to show just a column like that? Anyway, I printed out my copy about two or three months ago, but I don't remember from what site. There wasn't even the name Faure on top. I didn't see the P at the bottom of the page. But I thought you always liked Peters. It's Schirmer that I try to steer away from....

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 Post subject: Re: Faure - Barcarolle no. 10 in A minor
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pianolady wrote:
That's a weird-looking attachment. Did you mean to show just a column like that?
Yes, as these are exactly spme of the bars that illustrate my point.

pianolady wrote:
Anyway, I printed out my copy about two or three months ago, but I don't remember from what site. There wasn't even the name Faure on top. I didn't see the P at the bottom of the page. But I thought you always liked Peters. It's Schirmer that I try to steer away from....
I don't particularly like Peters, just am rather used to it. In the old days, Peters is what you got if went to the music shoppe and asked for a score of any of the classic names. They've traditionally employed a lot of headstrong and eccentric editors, whi have IMO done a lot of damage. However
times have changed and they now call their new Faure edition Urtext, see http://editionpeters.com/london/faureur ... nshome.php, claiming it's the original French publishers being wrong. Bit pretentious ! Maybe they're right. But I think their dots sound funny, and will gladly stick to the original.

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 Post subject: Re: Faure - Barcarolle no. 10 in A minor
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Well well! I don't know the piece at all so feel it's rather unwise of me to comment when both of you obviously have beliefs about how to play it. Plus I'm listening, for now at least, through rather limited speakers!

But here goes :D (at least, regarding the opening)

I see what Chris means about interrupting the flow. Trouble is, I looked for the recording of Thyssens-Valentin and I think hers isn't that dissimilar. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0vUV6mQ9CY
Now she actually studied with Faure and knew him rather well, so her performance might be relatively "authentic" (my teacher related a very scurrilous anecdote which I don't think I'll repeat). Chris, on the other hand, I think your beginning is actually a little overly muscular.

Anyway, interesting to see what happens here!


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 Post subject: Re: Faure - Barcarolle no. 10 in A minor
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andrew wrote:
(my teacher related a very scurrilous anecdote which I don't think I'll repeat).
yes you WILL repeat that now... or else why mention it to start with ?

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Chris, on the other hand, I think your beginning is actually a little overly muscular.
Muscular, haha, I'll take that a compliment. I believe Faure to be a passionate composer who is often treated in a too effeminate way.

But in all honesty I could and should have prepared this a while longer, and it might have came out a bit more sophisticated. I'll probably want to redo this one together with others I am working on.

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 Post subject: Re: Faure - Barcarolle no. 10 in A minor
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techneut wrote:
andrew wrote:
(my teacher related a very scurrilous anecdote which I don't think I'll repeat).
yes you WILL repeat that now... or else why mention it to start with ?


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 Post subject: Re: Faure - Barcarolle no. 10 in A minor
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Oh that's not fair! Can't I know too, please?

Thank you for that Youtube link, Andrew. I feel vindicated regarding the rests, but alas she does not play all the dotted notes like I play. So that settles it for me...I will do a re-recording. Probably everything will sound the same except for those tied notes.

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 Post subject: Re: Faure - Barcarolle no. 10 in A minor
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There's also a read error on the last page, the very last of the 16ths is wrong. Unless that is another improvement by the fearless Peters editors. I would not be surprised, read this statement they make

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A longstanding confusion of slurs and ties is resolved in the Tenth Barcarolle, along with a problem of continuity at one point.


Apparently the original editions of the Barcarolles were littered with mistakes which they've all corrected with the help of British scholar Roy Howat.

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 Post subject: Re: Faure - Barcarolle no. 10 in A minor
PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:08 pm 
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Well, I think if I just take out a couple of my played notes, then it will be fine. Regarding the last 16th note...do you mean in the 14th bar from the end? I'm not looking at my score right now, but I think I circled that to draw my attention and may have still played it wrong. I'll check later. But that brings me to a question: How do you know it's a 'reading' error, and not just a slip?
I heard some slips in your version too. Maybe they are 'reading' errors? Do you want to know where they are?

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