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 Post subject: Re: Beethoven Sonata No.14 in C-sharp minor Op.27 No.2
PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:59 pm 
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I can't remember that he did. Over time, attachments are either deleted or put on the site. I guess the first happened as there is no Mondschein by Joe on the site. I wasn't able to locate the specific post to see why.


If you are talking about the same Joe, I can verify that I have never posted the Mondschein or discussed it on PS. I would agree, however, with the notion that it is sometimes unduly mooned over.

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 Post subject: Re: Beethoven Sonata No.14 in C-sharp minor Op.27 No.2
PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:00 am 
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Funny that, I was sure it was you, Joe (as you do post Beethoven now and then). Oh, well, sorry I confused you with someone else, but with these user names that are different from the real ones I at times have difficulty knowing who is who and that user Joe999, for example, is not you, but a pianist called John Doe and, if the user does not refer from the forum to his page, one needs to be alert to know who is who.

Chris, mental shortcut: I had the recording of this piano piece on the computer, but the computer medicine man... My brains abbreviate with little thought that not everyone (lucky everyone else!) has my brains!

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 Post subject: Re: Beethoven Sonata No.14 in C-sharp minor Op.27 No.2
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The third movement is much impressive to me !!!

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One of the convincing examples of this as "moonlight". (Which, I suppose, may have been the way Beethoven played it since the label was stuck on the piece pretty early in its lifetime.)


The Mondshein name was given by the poet Ludwig Rellstab (the author of the poems of the first seven songs in Schubert's Schwannengesang) in 1832, 5 years after Beethoven's death.

I like also a slow tempo for the first movement but here it is too slow for me, although I do not care much about the fact that according to alla breve sign at the beginning of the score, the exact tempo should be much faster : it is adagio (56-76) when counting the half notes (not the quarter notes).

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Anyway, congratulations to you, Kaila !


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 Post subject: Re: Beethoven Sonata No.14 in C-sharp minor Op.27 No.2
PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:32 am 
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richard66 wrote:
"...I agree with you about the difficulty of slow movements and of this one in particular, when played slowly. I was always taught that it is easier to go through the Revolutionary Etude at 240 mph than to takle this adagio. After all, as long as one does not stop no one will notice a wrong note or a muddled passage, now, miss one of those triplets in the Beethoven!..."

Hi Richard,

I really did not think that consciously about the tempo in the first movement. I just wanted to be sure the melody line came out.
I've heard it played faster and have played it faster, but for some reason, when I recorded it I played it very slowly. Perhaps
it was the beauty of the piano that prompted the tempo. I wanted the sound to linger more.

As far as the second movement goes, I just like it like that. It feels like a song with lyrics like "The sun is out, today, today". Perhaps
this is as unscholarly as it gets, but this is how I played it in my classroom while glancing out the window.
It is very pastoral to me and very nature like and I did not feel like rushing through it. The whole sonata seems like three
panels of nature. The first is the night with the moonlight, the second is a nature scene on a mountain and the third is a terrible storm.

That is how I simplify the sonata.

-Kaila

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I like also a slow tempo for the first movement but here it is too slow for me, although I do not care much about the fact that according to alla breve sign at the beginning of the score, the exact tempo should be much faster : it is adagio (56-76) when counting the half notes (not the quarter notes).

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Anyway, congratulations to you, Kaila !

Hi Didier,

For me, it is about the balance between the left and right hands and the lyricism. It is an interesting argument you present for a faster tempo.
You may be absolutely correct about this, but I have no real definite opinion about the tempo of the first movement.

-Kaila

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 Post subject: Re: Beethoven Sonata No.14 in C-sharp minor Op.27 No.2
PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:38 am 
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hreichgott wrote:
I'm torn about the third movement. On the one hand, there are so many moments that give me goose bumps, for example the sudden slide into quiet smoothness at 0:31. On the other hand, the broken chords in the RH and some of the scales are very uneven and do not line up well with the LH. You've obviously got a well-conceived and effective interpretation here. It just needs more slow practice on the broken chords and then it will be truly a pleasure to listen to.
Oh, one other thing I loved about the third movement: Every time you use forte, you use it purposefully and keep the surrounding material quiet so that the forte stands out, which is very effective. Far too many pianists just forte the heck out of this piece, which gets tiring to listen to.

Hi Heather,

Thank you for the suggestion of slow practice, I agree with you. Hopefully when summer school ends I will be able to practice with more concentration.

-Kaila

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musicrecovery wrote:
Chris, I need to work more on my eye/hand coordination. It is hard for me at times to lower
my eyes due to cervical spinal problems. Sometimes, I feel like my fingers are not coordinated
enough.

Sorry to hear that ! And yet your jumps (there are many risky ones in this finale) are very assured. I'd have expected more problems there, as you really need to look at your hands then, than in the opening bars which one could play with closed eyes. I still believe this would be a matter of a bit more finger weight. But I could be wrong. Anyway, still
a refreshing and convincing interpretation.

Hi Chris,

You are spot on about finger weight. That is the missing synapse feeling. I do need to feel the weight in my fingers more.

-Kaila

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 Post subject: Re: Beethoven Sonata No.14 in C-sharp minor Op.27 No.2
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Thank you all for your kind comments.

Much appreciation to all, my apologies for taking so long to reply.

-Kaila

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 Post subject: Re: Beethoven Sonata No.14 in C-sharp minor Op.27 No.2
PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:00 pm 
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Very very good. It is hard to do such a well-known piece and do your own interpretation convincingly.

First movement is quite slow but steady and effective, I quite liked it though it is different from most performances I have heard. Excellent balance between the hands and pedalling. If I may add a comment the triplets could be even softer. It must be hard to maintain that kind of concentration throughout - well done!

The second movement could be played a bit lighter (and possibly just a little bit faster) to achieve a better contrast between the outer movements.

Third movement: WOW. The naked emotive content in aggression and desperation left my heart racing. Very idiomatic, and superb control of the abrupt extreme dynamics while hardly ever resorting to rubatos. There are some problems in articulating the RH runs, both in the arpeggios and in the second theme, but still I enjoyed this much more than a slower and note perfect version.

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 Post subject: Re: Beethoven Sonata No.14 in C-sharp minor Op.27 No.2
PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:33 am 
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Hi Joachim,

Yes, you are right. The triplets could be softer and the effect might be more ethereal. I have played the second movement
lighter at times, however this time I wanted a fuller more rustic sound. I am glad you were effected by the third movement's
desperation and aggression. I never thought to describe things that way and your words make sense.

Thanks for listening,
Kaila

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 Post subject: Re: Beethoven Sonata No.14 in C-sharp minor Op.27 No.2
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Very enjoyable, and you manage the unusual achievement of producing an interesting performance of such an old warhorse.
There were a couple of things which bothered me: in the first movement it seemed the triplets were a bit inconsistent, at one point the accent appeared to fall on the third one (bar 4), and in the section from bar 32 it sounded like it had gone into 6/4 quavers or something similar. In the last movement, I don't know if my hearing's playing up, but it sounds for all the world like bars 9-13 have a lot of the semiquavers conjoined into double notes quavers. Anyway, that aside, the last movement really is ferociously exciting and the fact that some of the passagework is a little untidy doesn't imo impact significantly on the end result. Congratulations.


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 Post subject: Re: Beethoven Sonata No.14 in C-sharp minor Op.27 No.2
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Hello Andrew,

Thank you for your comments. I am glad you found the third movement to be exciting.
As far as the quavers go, I guess with each performance problems like that arise.

Thanks,
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 Post subject: Re: Beethoven Sonata No.14 in C-sharp minor Op.27 No.2
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Hi Kaila, I had a listen to your performance of this famous sonata by Beethoven, really enjoyed it. I like your tempo of the Moonlight, and I realize it's easier said than done, playing slow, but still maintaining control. The presto had me on the edge of my seat !

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 Post subject: Re: Beethoven Sonata No.14 in C-sharp minor Op.27 No.2
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Hi RIley,

Thank you. I practiced the sonata for a year before rerecording it. It is so nice
to revisit pieces.

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