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 Post subject: Albeniz and Telemann
PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 2:25 am 
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Here are two happy little tunes: Albeniz' "Cadiz" from Suite Espanola, and Telemann's Suite in A Major "Gigue" which comes from the book for Wilhelm Friedemann Bach. They are completely different styles, but I like the sound of them and also they are not terribly difficult, so the practicing was fun.

Albeniz - Suite Espanola no. 4 "Cadiz"

Telemann - Suite in A Major, no. 3 "Gigue"

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 Post subject: Re: Albeniz and Telemann
PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 4:29 pm 
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Monica,
The Albeniz is simply wonderful, both the piece and your rendition.

I was shocked to see just how little Telemann we have, so it's a good thing that you did this one. Hmmm.

Very fun recording - bouncy and playful. If you practiced this a lot more it's possible that the ornaments would be perfectly consistent, but it's not worth it, IMHO - there were only a couple of places and I'm mentioning it only because we're supposed to give each other intelligent comments, etc. Far more important to try to get another Telemann up on the site!
(By consistency, I mean that similar ornaments would all be on the beat or before. I'm as guilty as the next person on this count so I'm just speaking from painful experience. I usually don't find it all that important, but some of my professors sure did.)

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 Post subject: Re: Albeniz and Telemann
PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 5:14 pm 
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StuKautsch wrote:
Monica,
The Albeniz is simply wonderful, both the piece and your rendition.

I was shocked to see just how little Telemann we have, so it's a good thing that you did this one. Hmmm.

Very fun recording - bouncy and playful. If you practiced this a lot more it's possible that the ornaments would be perfectly consistent, but it's not worth it, IMHO - there were only a couple of places and I'm mentioning it only because we're supposed to give each other intelligent comments, etc. Far more important to try to get another Telemann up on the site!
(By consistency, I mean that similar ornaments would all be on the beat or before. I'm as guilty as the next person on this count so I'm just speaking from painful experience. I usually don't find it all that important, but some of my professors sure did.)


Oh, thank you, Stu. I'm so grateful. I don't have very much experience playing Baroque music -- I was hoping for some help. I'm never sure about things like ornaments. Do you think that all the grace notes should come before the beat or on the beat? What would sound better or more appropriate for the style?

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 Post subject: Re: Albeniz and Telemann
PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 8:51 pm 
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Do you think that all the grace notes should come before the beat or on the beat? What would sound better or more appropriate for the style?


I studied this stuff 35 years ago and can't remember about the "should". It sounds best to me when you do the turns on the beat. Myself, I just try to make them sound the way I've heard other people play them and try to get some consistency.

Hopefully Chris will chime in - I know he plays a lot of baroque. Also, where's rainer been?

I can see in the "preview" that my "quote" is messed up. Someday I'll learn the mysteries of this editor.

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 Post subject: Re: Albeniz and Telemann
PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 1:42 am 
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Chris won't, I don't know why. And I don't know where Rainer is. :? But I think you are right about the ornaments coming down on the beat. Thanks again for catching that. I would never have thought of it. I'll practice the piece a bit more and try again soon.

Also, your quote above this post looks fine to me! :)

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 Post subject: Re: Albeniz and Telemann
PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 3:52 pm 
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Did someone mention my name?
Sorry, I've been spending my time elsewhere for a bit, and I don't think I'm the only one. This place has been unusually quiet of late.

Both these pieces are lovely and nicely played. What particularly appeals to me in the Albeniz are the occasional pull-backs, some subtle, others a bit more overt.

As far as the Telemann ornaments go, I gather common view favours the idea that baroque ornaments should generally be on the beat, and indeed it seems that that's where you're putting them most of the time. However, I think it's as well to be guided by intuition here, and not be too dogmatic about it.

I think what Stu means about the quotes is that he has had to put "Monica wrote:" into the white box of the quoted text, instead of getting it to appear in the shaded strip above it.


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 Post subject: Re: Albeniz and Telemann
PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 6:28 pm 
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rainer wrote:
Did someone mention my name?
Sorry, I've been spending my time elsewhere for a bit, and I don't think I'm the only one. This place has been unusually quiet of late.

I'm glad you're here....thank you for listening! Yes, it has been very quiet. It saddens me; I feel like I'm the only one here lately. It's not fair or nice. Maybe I should just go silent for a while too....except I still enjoy playing piano, and practicing/sharing/recording music keeps me motivated to continue learning new music. I guess I could just stick with Youtube and Facebook though... Does anyone have any ideas how we can get people to participate here more?


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As far as the Telemann ornaments go, I gather common view favours the idea that baroque ornaments should generally be on the beat, and indeed it seems that that's where you're putting them most of the time. However, I think it's as well to be guided by intuition here, and not be too dogmatic about it.

Yes, I listened back to my recording and I think that most of them are on the beat, but a couple are a little iffy. It helps that my attention has been drawn to this so I can check myself on my re-recording (which will probably be tonight since I'll have the house to myself).

rainer wrote:
I think what Stu means about the quotes is that he has had to put "Monica wrote:" into the white box of the quoted text, instead of getting it to appear in the shaded strip above it.

Oh, now I see what you mean. Sorry you're having trouble, Stu...

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 Post subject: Re: Albeniz and Telemann
PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 9:23 pm 
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rainer wrote:
I think what Stu means about the quotes is that he has had to put "Monica wrote:" into the white box of the quoted text, instead of getting it to appear in the shaded strip above it.


AHA! I see how it's done - either by pushing the little "Quote" button at the end of an entry or just inserting the tag [quote="whoever"] by hand.

Soon I will enter the 21st century. I hope it's a nice place.

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 Post subject: Re: Albeniz and Telemann
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I liked both and particularly the Telemann. Excellent control of dynamics and perfect tone in in the softer parts, and nicely brought out in tempo. Not being an expert on that music I was not bothered by the ornaments at all.

By the way, why do you say Chris won't comment? Has something happened?

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 Post subject: Re: Albeniz and Telemann
PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 2:41 pm 
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Thank you, Joachim. I'm glad you liked the dynamics in the Telemann. There are no markings whatsoever in the score, so I just went with my own ideas.

No, nothing has happened. It's just that he is not listening/participating anymore, and so it is just me here. It's not fair. I'm so unhappy... :(

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 Post subject: Re: Albeniz and Telemann
PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 7:45 pm 
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pianolady wrote:
No, nothing has happened. It's just that he is not listening/participating anymore

Do give me a break, I've been having other priorities lately. And we don't always comment on each others' submissions anyway.
I've not kept up with new postings recently, and was only triggered because I got an email about a topic I was subscribed to.

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 Post subject: Re: Albeniz and Telemann
PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 10:12 pm 
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Hi Monica,

I had a listen to your two recordings. I like the Albeniz a lot and I found it very much in the "spanish" style as it were. I was just listening to Albeniz yesterday, the guitar Granada from his Suite Espanola. There are some rich chords here that make this a very romantic tribute to Cadiz (apparently the oldest continuosly inhabited city in spain :wink: )

I didn't really like the Gigue. Not because the way you played it, I think you play it fine, I just didn't like the piece. I don't listen to much Telleman (and maybe Bach is to blame, they are certainly from the same period!)

How to boost audition room participation? Hmm. That's a good question. Perhaps put "members are encouraged to participate" next to the bold print on the outer directory?

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 Post subject: Re: Albeniz and Telemann
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Hi Riley, and welcome home!!!!
Thank you. Granada is nice; I've played it too. It's nice to play Spanish music that's not so hard!
It's perfectly fine that you don't like the Telemann. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Albeniz and Telemann
PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 6:15 am 
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Hi Monica,

I listened to the Albeniz and really enjoyed the piece and your playing. It has a joie de vivre feel to it. Very charming and upbeat!

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 Post subject: Re: Albeniz and Telemann
PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 1:57 am 
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Hi David,
I'm glad you liked the Albeniz! Thank you!! :)

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