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 Post subject: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:26 pm 
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Just in case you wonder where Alexandre Diass Nazareth recordings have gone: he asked us to remove them from the site as he will be selling them commercially on CdBaby. A great pity but we do have to respect these wishes I guess.

On the other hand, I quite feel like adding a clause that all submitted recordings become our property.

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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:18 pm 
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As like most of us here, his recordings are already spread out all over the Internet on those seemingly endless sites that play our recordings. You know....beemp3, mp3chief, etc.... I doubt anyone could ever get their personal recordings off the Internet once they've been hosted on a free site like ours.

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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:04 pm 
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Most of these sites are link farms, only hosting links to our site which are now dead links. But it's not unthinkable that some of them will have copies.

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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:47 pm 
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The very first link I tried played his recording. He's doomed....
And that's why I've said many times that I wish we could prevent other sites from taking our recordings.

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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:03 pm 
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What link was that ? Any that I found where links to our site, or else required to to click a dozen buttons, or required to install a download manager, in which case I gave up. Anyway he's probably not doomed, CD's sell even despite bootleg recordings on the web (look at all the stuff on YT).

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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:13 pm 
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I meant he's doomed because he won't be able to get all his recordings off all these other sites like this one:


http://www.mp3chief.com/music/ernesto-nazareth/

There are about a dozen recordings. You just click on 'play' and it plays! I guess we can't know if the recording came from us or somewhere else though, right?

p.s. I think you should delete this link after you have seen it. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:24 am 
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Well that is interesting. Not only has this Carlos Cipriano downloaded a lot of files, but he's also renamed and resampled them, altered ID3 tags, and made them into a podcast. Because of the different ID3 tags it is indeed not sure they came from us.

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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:55 pm 
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For the heck of it I just typed my name in the search (Mp3Chief) and hundreds of my files came up. But they don't play. Then I tried your name and same thing happened. Why are they listed I wonder? Weird....

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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:57 pm 
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At least he's giving you credit?

Still, it's creepy, and technically is stealing I think, as it is against the terms of use of this site.


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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:46 pm 
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pianolady wrote:
For the heck of it I just typed my name in the search (Mp3Chief) and hundreds of my files came up. But they don't play. Then I tried your name and same thing happened.

This is because Robert's prevention of hotlinking actually works. You can not play our files via another site. Those of Dias did work because they had been copied to another site which obviously doesn't have (or want to have) that restriction.

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Why are they listed I wonder? Weird....
It's not weird. There are dozens of search bots that crawl the net for references to mp3 files and present those links on their own site. Whether a link does or doesn't work, these bots have no way of knowing.

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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
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techneut wrote:
pianolady wrote:
For the heck of it I just typed my name in the search (Mp3Chief) and hundreds of my files came up. But they don't play. Then I tried your name and same thing happened.

This is because Robert's prevention of hotlinking actually works. You can not play our files via another site. Those of Dias did work because they had been copied to another site which obviously doesn't have (or want to have) that restriction.


Go to playlist.com and type in your name. I did my name and again many files popped up--except they play. I don't see any reference back to Piano Society.

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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
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pianolady wrote:
Go to playlist.com and type in your name. I did my name and again many files popped up--except they play. I don't see any reference back to Piano Society.

They don't play for me, nothing happens when I click the play icon. Indeed I saw no reference to our site on these pages. But that does not mean much. It could all be scripted.

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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
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techneut wrote:
pianolady wrote:
Go to playlist.com and type in your name. I did my name and again many files popped up--except they play. I don't see any reference back to Piano Society.

They don't play for me, nothing happens when I click the play icon. Indeed I saw no reference to our site on these pages. But that does not mean much. It could all be scripted.

Weird again! I punched you up and your files play. There is an image to the left of the file that looks like a record. It turns into a play button when you mouse over it. Maybe they have found a way around hotlinking? Oh well, seems like there is nothing can do about it. I also found one of my recordings that we took off our site because of copyright issues, yet it still plays of their site.

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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:54 am 
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This thread is of some interest to me, partly because the recordings I've recently made/uploaded are intended for sale via CdBaby or similar. I did specifically think in advance about any potential clashes between uploaded-to-PS recordings and saleable recordings. I can see both sides of the coin. It's easy to sympathise with the thought that if you're selling rare recordings it makes little sense to have them freely available. On the other hand it seems slightly churlish to offer free recordings to a not-for-profit site and then withdraw them on financial grounds (assuming that is the motive). A difficult problem. On my part I've made sure that, just on the off-chance of there ever arising some future copyright clash between PS and wherever I sell them, there are marginal editing differences between what is here and what is on my CD.

[quote="techneut"]On the other hand, I quite feel like adding a clause that all submitted recordings become our property.[/quote]

Not sure I agree with this. Such a clause may discourage people from uploading; and that's assuming they were to read it in the first place. Plus in principle such a clause is practically unpoliceable and liable to generate ill-will.

[quote="pianolady"]As like most of us here, his recordings are already spread out all over the Internet on those seemingly endless sites that play our recordings. You know....beemp3, mp3chief, etc.... I doubt anyone could ever get their personal recordings off the Internet once they've been hosted on a free site like ours.[/quote]

Agreed; having them taken down from here seems like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. http://www.classiccat.net/performers/indexca.php (I've not checked if the links work, but there are an awful lot of PS recordings listed).


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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:09 am 
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andrew wrote:
Not sure I agree with this. Such a clause may discourage people from uploading; and that's assuming they were to read it in the first place. Plus in principle such a clause is practically unpoliceable and liable to generate ill-will.
Maybe. At least we would have the right to say "No, we will not remove it from the site".

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Agreed; having them taken down from here seems like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted.
Which makes perfect sense if you have more horses !

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http://www.classiccat.net/performers/indexca.php (I've not checked if the links work, but there are an awful lot of PS recordings listed).
Yes but Classiccat is very clever and does the right thing, it links to our pages rather than directly to our mp3's. That is how we want it.

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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
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"Just in case you wonder where Alexandre Diass Nazareth recordings have gone: he asked us to remove them from the site as he will be selling them commercially on CdBaby. A great pity but we do have to respect these wishes I guess."

I'm sorry to hear that Mr. Dia's recordings will not be available here. At the same time I realize that making good recordings takes some time and yes, money (at least upfront for quality equipment or whatnot). And then tuning and maintaining the instrument so that it's always in top form.


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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
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well...
good time for preparing a recording of Odeon then.

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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
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luissarro wrote:
well...
good time for preparing a recording of Odeon then.

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That's funny, Luis! I just played through a Nazareth piece tonight! It's not Odeon, though.

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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
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what have you been playing, Monica?

I like "Apanhei-te cavaquinho" a lot.
it makes the piano sound as a real cavaquinho.

[img]http://filmeespiaso.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/cavaquinho-1.jpg[/img]


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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
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luissarro wrote:
what have you been playing, Monica?

I like "Apanhei-te cavaquinho" a lot.
it makes the piano sound as a real cavaquinho.

Image

It's called Eponina. I don't remember how I stumbled upon it, but it's cute and not terribly difficult. Won't be ready to record for maybe another week or so.
That instrument looks like a ukelele.

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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
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I don't know this Eponina.

Yes, cavaquinho is similar to a ukalele, but only in apparence. Cavaco's strings are REALLY HARD, my fingers would even bleed. And ukalele has an exotic tunning, an "out-of-order" tuning of the strings (I don't know why... it must have to do with the kind of music it plays).

Cavaquinho is an important instrument to play the accompaniment of samba. It's also the soloist of many choros. Waldir Azevedo was a great composer of choros, and a great cavaquinho player. It's a pitty he didn't write for the piano, because I like his pieces a lot.
The piece below is Brasileirinho, his most famous one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si5y0QGSjTY


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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
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PS: in fact, cavaquinho is much more similar to a banjo than a ukalele. Banjo is also part of the accompaniment of samba, and those who play cavaquinho usually play banjo too. I don't know the differences however. I never played a banjo.


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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
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Thanks for the youtube link - I've never heard or even of a cavaquinho before. But I think a banjo is more 'twangy'. I'm surprised to learn that Brazilians even play banjo! I had no idea....

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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
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Dear Robert, Cris, Monica, Luis, pianoman342, Andrew, Marcelo and other fellow pianist colleagues who have commented on this subject and also on the +70 recordings I have done in the past 5 years.

I thank all the moderators for understanting my wish for withdrawing my Nazareth recordings from the Piano Society website. I'm sorry for not writing a public letter at the time, so that's why I'm writing this.

When I submitted my first recordings in 2007, I did it without any professional purposes, mainly to illustrate musically the texts I had been writing for Sovaco de Cobra, about rare Nazareth pieces: http://sovacodecobra.uol.com.br/2007/03 ... h-inedito/ The recordings weren't published exclusively at PS, since I also put them on Brazilian sites, and eventually on youtube.

The first 7 recordings were made for rehearsal purposes before a recital I played in Brasília. Later on we came up with the idea of creating a series with Nazareth's rare music. In the following years, I studied a lot his music, and developed more consistent ideas for interpretating his pieces.

During this process, it was a joy to submit each recording to piano society and read the comments and critics about my renditions. I also enjoyed a lot listening to the recordings of several other members, and I'll be eternally thankful for having "discovered" the music of Kapustin here, which I now adore.

During the past years I faced some choices and decided to become a professional pianist/music teacher. As a result, I decided to transform my Nazareth recordings into a commercial release at CDBaby. By organizing them in commercial albums with covers and UPC code, I intend to put them alongside with other Nazareth albums that have been released through the decades, by other interpreters; therefore they can now be listed in his discography.

These recordings hosted at PS had many download hits during the years they were up, and I'm happy that many people got interested in Nazareth's music and my renditions of it. However, since they are now being sold, I decided to ask PS to retrive them some months ago. I have no false hopes of making substantial money with them, and I will be happy if they pay the investment. However I do intend to make new recordings of his pieces, growing the collection into an eventual complete works set.

I always understood that they were my copyright, since I produced them and uploaded them (and Nazareth's works are in public domain). I have no intention to bother anyone with this choice, and I agree with Cris that a clause could address this issue, making things clear about the ownership of the submitted mp3s.

I also agree with Monica in the sense that I will never be able to erase the footprint of the mp3s, but I don't see that as a problem, since people can always manage to find mp3s of sought recordings. However, I ponder that it is also interesting to have the possibility of buying a digital album directly from the artist, distributor or from the recording company website.

I hope not to sound ungrateful, for I did my small share of contribution to the annual fee, and the recordings were available for over 5 years. I am really thankful to Piano Society for the excellent experience of sharing music, and to each one of the members with whom I corresponded. I also congratulate Cris, Monica and Robert for the outstanding way in which they coordinate this excellent website, which is unique in piano history.

I will be around, and I'd like to offer help to anyone researching Brazilian classical piano music.

All the best,
Alexandre


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