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 Post subject: Re: Bach - Organ Trio Sonata No. 1, for piano and bass
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:57 pm 
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techneut wrote:
Francois de Larrard wrote:
Thanks Monica ! Would it be possible to write Allegro moderato, Adagio, Allegro instead of 1st, 2nd and 3rd movement ?

No, we should not do that, although it's already happened in the links in this topic.
These tempo indications are not original and don't appear in the manuscript or in any Urtext edition. Bach seldom wrote any tempo indications. Do these appear in some French edition perhaps ? They make perfect sense, but are a bit arbitrary, it could just as well have been Allegro, Andante, and Presto.


Chris, look at what is apparently the original manuscript:
http://petrucci.mus.auth.gr/imglnks/usi ... WV_525.pdf

As a matter of fact, there's no indication for the first movement, but there are for the two following ones, as in my edition. So the correct indication could be
- 1 mvt
- 2nd mvt (Adagio)
- 3rd mvt (Allegro)... ?

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 Post subject: Re: Bach - Organ Trio Sonata No. 1, for piano and bass
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:58 pm 
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techneut wrote:
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P.S.: Jean-Paul is a grand-father (like me !), but he plays quite well in tune, as compared to the many bassists I played with...
Generally yes, but I did hear some places where his pitch was a bit too low. Of course that is wont to happen with string players unless they are really extremely good.

You mean 'this may happen unless they are really extremely good' ?

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 Post subject: Re: Bach - Organ Trio Sonata No. 1, for piano and bass
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:34 pm 
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Francois de Larrard wrote:
As a matter of fact, there's no indication for the first movement, but there are for the two following ones, as in my edition.
Yes you're right. In fact he wrote tempo indications for all trio sonata movements except the very first, so we should do it the same if only to be politically correct :)

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You mean 'this may happen unless they are really extremely good' ?
Yes, that is what I meant. I collaborate(d)
with different string players and it's very hard for them to be always exactly in tune. We should not bitch at them too much, they are doing their best :D

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 Post subject: Re: Bach - Organ Trio Sonata No. 1, for piano and bass
PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:08 am 
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Francois de Larrard wrote:
techneut wrote:
Of course that is wont to happen with string players unless they are really extremely good.

You mean 'this may happen unless they are really extremely good' ?

It means pretty much the same thing. It's fun to see someone using "wont" accurately.

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