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 Post subject: Denis Matsuev kills Grieg
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:46 pm 
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Title says it all:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gebNzfdbbrg

Give me Lang Lang every time :P

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 Post subject: Re: Denis Matsuev kills Grieg
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I think I'm going to be sick.....Image

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 Post subject: Re: Denis Matsuev kills Grieg
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:09 pm 
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Denis Matsuev kills Grieg


Maybe butchers is more like it... :x

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 Post subject: Re: Denis Matsuev kills Grieg
PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:27 pm 
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Has anyone taken a look at Grieg's original?

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 Post subject: Re: Denis Matsuev kills Grieg
PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:01 pm 
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richard66 wrote:
Has anyone taken a look at Grieg's original?

Sure have. This is a bit more slapdash, to put it kindly. I always though Matsuev a bit of a basher, and this really does not help :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Denis Matsuev kills Grieg
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That's the Ginzburg arrangement. It's not even especially difficult - just written to make it sound much harder than it is. Ginzburg was a great performer of Liszt paraphrases (amongst others) but I'm not especially convinced by his Rossini transcription either. It's saying something when I find an arrangement crude and vulgar.. :lol:

Alternatively, Chris, I'm sure you'll just looove this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHRBk8FtvAs

A bit spooky, but very odd.


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 Post subject: Re: Denis Matsuev kills Grieg
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Arghh.... Cziffra :roll: Does this have anything to do with music at all ?

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 Post subject: Re: Denis Matsuev kills Grieg
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Good question. Did the Matsuev?


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 Post subject: Re: Denis Matsuev kills Grieg
PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:17 am 
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He seems smug - I wonder if he knows he's getting bashed from people all around the world.

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 Post subject: Re: Denis Matsuev kills Grieg
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andrew wrote:
Good question. Did the Matsuev?

Not at all, of course.
It's just that people so dote on Cziffra and I never quite understood why - except for the outlandish virtuosity and insane improvisation skills.

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 Post subject: Re: Denis Matsuev kills Grieg
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techneut wrote:
the outlandish virtuosity and insane improvisation skills.


Two fairly good reasons there. Also, there are many virtuosi with a prediliction for fast, loud and little else. In many Cziffra recordings the fast bits are very fast, but the slow parts really are slow - he likes to maximise contrast. He's also capable of considerable delicacy when required. Of course his playing is a bit of an acquired taste and my repertoire preferences partly explain why I like him so much.

In defence of Matsuev here (which is asking a lot!) it looks like he's playing at some sort of showbiz event, which probably explains the choice of something short, familiar and flashy. It's still pretty crude playing.


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 Post subject: Re: Denis Matsuev kills Grieg
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Yes I know, Cziffra could play beautifully on occasion. But by and large I consider him a circus artist of dubious taste. He just could not help himself exploding in six different directions at every opportunity.

As for Matsuev, I bet the audience loved every note of it. We probably need to remember that people like Brahms and Albeniz were not beyond playing in bars to start with, and surely played to the gallery a bit.

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You must remember that Grieg himself thought nothing of the Dance in the Hall of the Mountain King.

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 Post subject: Re: Denis Matsuev kills Grieg
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Well one must understand that the audience he was playing for, was not a really musical one. I know personally that he is a famed celebrity in Russia, that can be compared to a Hollywood star in the United States. He comes on a lot on the Russian TV channels and news programs. He was clearly just showing off and messing around with the music. He was playing for music lovers, not critics or professional musicians. Not saying I agree with his playing, but its understandable.


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 Post subject: Re: Denis Matsuev kills Grieg
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Sure, the people in the street do want their bit of circus, we don't begrudge them that. Many a well-respected artist will give in to that on occasion, it is very understandable. I just think he could have found something more worthy to do than just callously butchering a well-known piece. Then I prefer Volodos' merry romp with Mozart's Alla Turca march. Vulgar as it is, it is at least original and exciting, and equally jaw-dropping.

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