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 Post subject: Re: Chopin etudes op 10/25
PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:54 am 
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pianolady wrote:
Wow, that's impressive! How do you find teacher lineage? Never mind, I'm sure you just have to read bios. I'm going to look for mine too.
I knew it went back to Lev Oborin, and Wikipedia provided the rest. Actually the line through my second teacher is intriguing too, and less convoluted: Folke Nauta - Jan Wijn - Alicia de Larrocha - Frank Marshall - Enrique Granados. Time to play more Spanish music again...

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 Post subject: Re: Chopin etudes op 10/25
PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 1:12 pm 
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techneut wrote:
pianolady wrote:
Wow, that's impressive! How do you find teacher lineage? Never mind, I'm sure you just have to read bios. I'm going to look for mine too.
I knew it went back to Lev Oborin, and Wikipedia provided the rest. Actually the line through my second teacher is intriguing too, and less convoluted: Folke Nauta - Jan Wijn - Alicia de Larrocha - Frank Marshall - Enrique Granados. Time to play more Spanish music again...

OMG....really??? Ahhhhh!!!
(i want that lineage ¡!)

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 Post subject: Re: Chopin etudes op 10/25
PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:09 pm 
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pianolady wrote:
OMG....really??? Ahhhhh!!!
(i want that lineage ¡!)

There must be someone in USA who studied with Larrocha. I never realized that Jan Wijn (the doyen of Dutch piano pedagogues) studied with her.
But this is getting terribly OT now...

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 Post subject: Re: Chopin etudes op 10/25
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88man wrote:
No Monica, it's not in my bio (sounds pretentious as an amateur). I only brought it up because Eddy brought back fond memories of my teacher...


I meant reading the bios of our teachers. I would never list that in my own bio either. But guess what? I have a similar line of teachers as you: Alexander Djordjevic :arrow: Vitali Margulis :arrow: Scriabin :arrow: Vasily Safonov :arrow: Leschetisky :arrow: Czerny :arrow: Beethoven (and Clementi).

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 Post subject: Re: Chopin etudes op 10/25
PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 3:08 pm 
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techneut wrote:
But this is getting terribly OT now...

Has been for a while. I found the sketch of the tree my mom made for our teacher, and it's a little more complicated than I'd remembered (and all three lines were through Czerny - only two through Leschetizky).

Margaret Shaw-->Edwin Hughes-->Joseffy-->Liszt-->Czerny-->Beethoven-->Haydn etc.
''..........................''......................-->Leschetizky-->Czerny, etc.
''.....................-->Monetta Stribling Wells-->Ossip Gabrilowitsch-->Leschetizky, etc.

I don't know the tree for my other teachers, but I'm sure they have pedigree too. :roll: I do know that my current teacher studied with Abbey Simon; there's a rich pedigree there which I am too lazy to research. Another former teacher was a Juilliard grad.

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 Post subject: Re: Chopin etudes op 10/25
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pianolady wrote:
88man wrote:
No Monica, it's not in my bio (sounds pretentious as an amateur). I only brought it up because Eddy brought back fond memories of my teacher...


I meant reading the bios of our teachers. I would never list that in my own bio either. But guess what? I have a similar line of teachers as you: Alexander Djordjevic :arrow: Vitali Margulis :arrow: Scriabin :arrow: Vasily Safonov :arrow: Leschetisky :arrow: Czerny :arrow: Beethoven (and Clementi).

Well what do you know? Monica and I are related :P ! V. Safonov was my great-grand teacher (through the line of both Lhevinnes, not Scriabin). BTW everyone (Chris are you listening?) anyone who traces back to Czerny and Beethoven, also goes back to JS Bach! Now that's what I'm talking about! Ok one other tidbit. While I was working on my MM degree, I discovered that Beethoven had written a little diddly (Hochzeitslied WoO 105) for the wedding of one Anna Ginastasio del Rio! She was the daughter of the Headmaster that Ludwig placed his nephew under. I have not been able to complete the line in my history since the family came from pre-communist Cuba, but I know it goes back to Spain. Maybe someday :(

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 Post subject: Re: Chopin etudes op 10/25
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musical-md wrote:
Well what do you know? Monica and I are related :P !

:lol: :lol:


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V. Safonov was my great-grand teacher (through the line of both Lhevinnes, not Scriabin). BTW everyone (Chris are you listening?) anyone who traces back to Czerny and Beethoven, also goes back to JS Bach! Now that's what I'm talking about! Ok one other tidbit. While I was working on my MM degree, I discovered that Beethoven had written a little diddly (Hochzeitslied WoO 105) for the wedding of one Anna Ginastasio del Rio! She was the daughter of the Headmaster that Ludwig placed his nephew under. (


Neato! I like hearing about this sort of thing.

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 Post subject: Re: Chopin etudes op 10/25
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OMG, OMG, OMG - Eddy! :shock: I'm freaking out a little - guess what I just heard on Performance Today? They talked about your ancestor except they called her Fanny del Rio. :shock: Supposedly, she had a crush on Beethoven. He was about 45 years old at the time, but didn't return her feelings because he was still in love with the 'mystery' woman. Wow!!!! You can hear it on the hour 2 of today's broadcast at around 41.00.

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 Post subject: Re: Chopin etudes op 10/25
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That's neat!
pianolady wrote:
They talked about your ancestor except they called her Fanny del Rio.
I wish I knew one way or the other! I believe that Fanny was a sister of Anna, both daughters of Headmaster Cajetan Gianastassio del Rio (Vienna).

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 Post subject: Re: Chopin etudes op 10/25
PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:17 pm 
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pianolady wrote:
I meant reading the bios of our teachers. I would never list that in my own bio either. But guess what? I have a similar line of teachers as you: Alexander Djordjevic :arrow: Vitali Margulis :arrow: Scriabin :arrow: Vasily Safonov :arrow: Leschetisky :arrow: Czerny :arrow: Beethoven (and Clementi).

Pretty good. And all the spiffing yellow arrows as an added bonus.

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 Post subject: Re: Chopin etudes op 10/25
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musical-md wrote:
Well what do you know? Monica and I are related :P ! V. Safonov was my great-grand teacher (through the line of both Lhevinnes, not Scriabin). BTW everyone (Chris are you listening?)

Of course Eddy ! Sitting up and listening, and wagging the tail, actually :P

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anyone who traces back to Czerny and Beethoven, also goes back to JS Bach! Now that's what I'm talking about!

Alright, you win.

Though come to think of it, via my second teacher, I go back to Czerny too, via Jan Wijn, Bela Siki, Erno Dohnaniy, Eugen d'Albert, and Liszt. It's a bit far-fetched as Dohnanyi took only a couple of lessons with d'Albert - I guess he had very little to learn.

Now to see if anyone can trace back even further than Bach. Fun game, isn't it.

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 Post subject: Re: Chopin etudes op 10/25
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It's apparently more fun than playing Czerny.

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musical-md wrote:
Well what do you know? Monica and I are related :P ! V. Safonov was my great-grand teacher (through the line of both Lhevinnes, not Scriabin). BTW everyone (Chris are you listening?)

Of course Eddy ! Sitting up and listening, and wagging the tail, actually :P

musical-md wrote:
anyone who traces back to Czerny and Beethoven, also goes back to JS Bach! Now that's what I'm talking about!

Alright, you win.

Though come to think of it, via my second teacher, I go back to Czerny too, via Jan Wijn, Bela Siki, Erno Dohnaniy, Eugen d'Albert, and Liszt. It's a bit far-fetched as Dohnanyi took only a couple of lessons with d'Albert - I guess he had very little to learn.

Now to see if anyone can trace back even further than Bach. Fun game, isn't it.

I had the pleasure of knowing Bela Siki while I was in Cincinnati; a truely fabulous artist!

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 Post subject: Re: Chopin etudes op 10/25
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"All In The Family!" Looks like we're ALL related: Me, Chris, Eddy, Monica, Terez! :shock:
Very interesting backgrounds everyone.
Now, only if we could live up to playing as good as the teachers in our musical lineages. :( (I speak for myself)

Monica, how many years have you studied with Djordjevic?... He's a great Liszt interpreter; I am surprised that you don't play more Liszt?... I studied with mine for 9 years until 2nd year in college, then reality set in...

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Now to see if anyone can trace back even further than Bach. Fun game, isn't it.
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It's apparently more fun than playing Czerny.
:lol: :lol: That's Classic! (no pun intended)

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 Post subject: Re: Chopin etudes op 10/25
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"All In The Family!" Looks like we're ALL related: Me, Chris, Eddy, Monica, Terez! :shock:
Very interesting backgrounds everyone.
Now, only if we could live up to playing as good as the teachers in our musical lineages. :( (I speak for myself)

lol, you could probably speak for all of us. Now I just wish I could trace my lineage back to Chopin - that's harder to do!

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