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 Post subject: Re: Grovlez - L'Almanach aux Images
PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 3:44 pm 
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But did you know that Grovlez once worked on Granados' opera? There, I've steered things back on topic.... :lol:

That's a bit of info I have not seen anywhere on the web. I find links between composers always intriguing. Anything else you may know about him would be welcome (I've seen that The Wikipedia article on Grovlez links to the bio on our page, so that had better be complete).
I just wish I could find an image anywhere.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 11:44 pm 
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Pianolady wrote:
But did you know that Grovlez once worked on Granados' opera? There, I've steered things back on topic....

To be frank, I've never heard of Grovlez before Chris' post. France and Spain: if it wasn't for the Pyrenees, they would be one country where everyone spoke Portuguese :shock: (back off topic) :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Grovlez - L'Almanach aux Images
PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:30 am 
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I am interested in links between composers too. In this case, I'm afraid I can't remember how I knew that about Granados and Grovlez. Just now I looked around the Internet for some info and only found what is shown in the attachment. I have a couple Granados books on my bookshelf - maybe I saw that information there but it'll take some time to find it. Will let you know if I do. Also, it is true; there does not seem to be any photos of Grovlez anywhere. Strange....

(back ON topic :mrgreen: )

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 Post subject: Re: Grovlez - L'Almanach aux Images
PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:49 am 
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There are a slew of unknown composers who don't offer anything new, just regurgitate the music of their masters. There are also composers who are a musical mutt of several styles and inspirations. Sometimes, one finds a diamond in the rough, but those are rare. For me, Grovlez doesn't shine in terms of originality.

I think you and Monica are right about the composers afiliations - There are parts to the music that sounds like Debussy, as you say. But, there are parts that sound unmistakably Granados - a mini Goyescas... Perhaps he's trying to be Spanish Debussy?... You bring out more than what's already there. Nonetheless, very well played!

Here is a photo of Gabriel Grovlez.

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 Post subject: Re: Grovlez - L'Almanach aux Images
PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:08 am 
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A good effort, George, but that's not Grovlez. (I was also fooled by this photo when I was looking yesterday.) This man is actually Henri Padé, a French mathematician.

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 Post subject: Re: Grovlez - L'Almanach aux Images
PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:24 am 
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A good effort, George, but that's not Grovlez. (I was also fooled by this photo when I was looking yesterday.) This man is actually Henri Padé, a French mathematician.
Your right, I deleted it. I guess the only place one could find his photo would be at the class photo archives of the Conservatoire de Paris from the 1890s onward, or perhaps in a Fauré biography.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:20 pm 
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I think that I found a photo of Grovlez. :D It was on the web site http://www.operanostalgia.be/html/Rimini-various.html. The caption reads "(Kipnis-Formicchi-Hackett-Rimini-Grovlez(conductor)-Ansseau/Chicago 1925)". I'm attaching the picture here.

Let me know what you think

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 Post subject: Re: Grovlez - L'Almanach aux Images
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Peculiar that the caption is reverse-text to the picture. Who's who?

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 Post subject: Re: Grovlez - L'Almanach aux Images
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The caption I was referring to was on the web site below the picture. I didn't pay attention to the writing on the picture until I had uploaded and posted it. The website in question has numerous pictures of Rimini. He appears to be 3rd from the right, making Grovlez the 2nd from the right. There are photos of the others available on the web so I did a quick look up and, without taking DNA samples, I believe that the names are in order from left to right. The picture of Fernand Ansseau was the most distinctive and identifiably the fartherst right. The farthest left, Igor Kipnis, is a little difficult to tell since none had him in a hat and he is bald without a hat.

I imagine that the backward caption is due to someone writing on the backside of the negative plate.

Here is a thumbnail that I also found that is supposedly Grovlez.

Scott

Edit: I actually found these through a Bing search for "Grovlez Photo". This last was attributed the the web-site http://www.last.fm/music/Gabriel+Grovlez though it only seemed to show up in Bing.


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 Post subject: Re: Grovlez - L'Almanach aux Images
PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:18 am 
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That's a neat photo, Scott. Except those men look like they belong in the mafia. But that is Chicago, so..... :wink:

Seriously, I also saw that photo from LastFM, but I don't trust it. They also showed that other photo that George had up earlier and he was also labeled as being Grovlez. Plus, the man in the photo - the one second from right does not have a big mustache like the lastfm man. I know, that doesn't necessarily mean they aren't the same man. I think we need more proof, though, another photo to help us corroborate things.

What a mystery, huh? Sort of like a game now - Who can find the real Grovlez?

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 Post subject: Re: Grovlez - L'Almanach aux Images
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At least, this one with the group has the names identified on the photo, not as a file name, so it would appear that we may be getting closer.

I know that one picture that showed up in a search for Grovlez was the Henry Pade (or some such name) that you have previously mentioned. What happened in that search was not that the photo was mis-attributed, but that in the image search it found Grovlez name in the text on the same page as the photo.

You might try contacting the owner of the web site. If you use the first part of the url, it gets to the home page and does have a place to contact them.

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 Post subject: Re: Grovlez - L'Almanach aux Images
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RSPIll wrote:
You might try contacting the owner of the web site. If you use the first part of the url, it gets to the home page and does have a place to contact them.

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Sorry, Scott, I'm totally lost here... :? :? :? I should contact what web site? And why? Can you please do it? I'm so busy at work these days - they're making me actually have to work, can you believe that? :lol:

I think searching for additional photos in other places/books is a good idea.

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 Post subject: Re: Grovlez - L'Almanach aux Images
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88man wrote:
For me, Grovlez doesn't shine in terms of originality.

True. But does every composer have to ? For example does Mendelssohn ooze originality in his songs without words ? I think not, but nobody complains because he's famous. There will be other examples. I find these pieces by Grovlez just as attractive and varied as some by more well-known composers. But then I always have a taste for obscure composers that sing a simple song.

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But, there are parts that sound unmistakably Granados - a mini Goyescas... Perhaps he's trying to be Spanish Debussy?...

I've never noticed any hints of Spanish-ness here, though nos. 6 an 8 seem to have a similar atmosphere to Mompou. Just where do you hear echoes of Goyescas ?

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You bring out more than what's already there. Nonetheless, very well played!

Thanks ! Though I am puzzled by the 'nonetheless'.

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 Post subject: Re: Grovlez - L'Almanach aux Images
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RSPIll wrote:
Here is a thumbnail that I also found that is supposedly Grovlez.

Thanks for these photos Scott. I just love old photos like the first one where celebrities pose together. Even though the composer's name seems to be spelled Gabriel Grovez here, we may well assume the second from right is him, at least if the names are applicable from left to right, which they seem to be - although it's hard to be sure, and why is the text mirrored ? Probably it was written in black on the back of a negative ? Mysterious ! But we know that Grovlez worked in Chicago at one stage so it could be him.

But even without the mustache he does not seem to be the same guy from the thumbnail. Looks quite different to me. Although that is hard to be sure too because the thumbnail seems to depict a much younger man.

Maybe I should cut the image from the group photo, try to enhance it, and use it on the page. Could be copyright infringement though. Maybe a better idea to contact the Conservatoire de Paris where he studied ? They must have archives there. Someplace out there must have a picture. Can't be that Grovlez is the first modern composer we can't find a picture of....

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 Post subject: Re: Grovlez - L'Almanach aux Images
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pianolady wrote:
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You might try contacting the owner of the web site. If you use the first part of the url, it gets to the home page and does have a place to contact them.

Scott


Sorry, Scott, I'm totally lost here... :? :? :? I should contact what web site? And why? Can you please do it? I'm so busy at work these days - they're making me actually have to work, can you believe that? :lol:

I think searching for additional photos in other places/books is a good idea.


I was referring to the link that I had put in the post with the group picture.

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