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 Post subject: Pet hates
PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 8:57 am 
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We are always so positive here, talking about the things we like best. I thought it might be fun to be negative and talk about what we hate in classical music (not just piano music, because there is more that that). It is my philosophy that for each thing you truly love, there must be some other thing you truly hate. Yin and Yang, so to speak :) It's just not possible IMO to love/like all music, and I question the musical taste of anybody who says they do.

So I've listed my top ten of pet hates in no particular order.

    Virtuoso violin music a la Paganini and Sarasate, with lots of sixths, octave doublings, and sul ponticello passages
    Transcriptions for strange combinations of instruments, like recorder or saxophone quartet
    Schubert works for male choir
    Orchestrations of piano pieces (Ravel in particular)
    Flute and harp music
    Baroque opera
    Mendelssohn string quartets
    Fortepiano and other instruments that fill the gap between harpsichord and piano
    Vivaldi (most of it)
    Operetta (most of it)

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 Post subject: Re: Pet hates
PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 2:24 pm 
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What's wrong with flute music....? :(

My list - or what I could think of at the spur of the moment:

- Bach fugues
- Shostakovich fugues
- okay, all fugues
- most organ music, unless it keeps more to the middle and lower ranges
- chamber music that has harpsichord!
- thick and heavy opera like Wagner
- opera singers with very big vibrato
- most of the contemporary classical music from the past two decades

That's only eight things - will have to think more and come back later....

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 Post subject: Re: Pet hates
PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 2:28 pm 
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pianolady wrote:
What's wrong with flute music....? :(

That it's played on a flute :P

pianolady wrote:
That's only eight things - will have to think more and come back later....

It doesn't have to be 10. Your list counts for at least 100.

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 Post subject: Re: Pet hates
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:lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Pet hates
PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 7:56 pm 
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Much Baroque vocal music
Listening to opera on the radio
Aleatoric Music
Negative or Abrogated Compostions (for lack of just the right word) e.g.: Cage's 4'33"
Sort of combos of the above two: Stockhausen's Klavierstück XI, and T. Riley's In C
John Cages' multi-radio composition Imaginary Landscapes no.4 (1951) for 12 radios, 24 performers and a conductor
Gebrauchsmusik (Music for use) style of Hindemith
Wilhelm Kempff playing Chopin (sorry to my German friends)




Edit: Removed Rap, and Screaming Head-Banging Rock

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 Post subject: Re: Pet hates
PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 8:53 pm 
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musical-md wrote:
Rap
Screaming, Head-Banging Rock

I know you felt like you had to list 10. But hey, this is a classical music forum :D
Don't get me started on rap, the absolute cesspit of music.

And I intended classical music genres, not individual pieces. Or I would have listed Fur Elise :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Pet hates
PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2011 5:56 am 
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It's fun to see some of my favourite things appearing on these lists (no, I won't embarrass myself or anyone else by saying which items) ;-)

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 Post subject: Re: Pet hates
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hanysz wrote:
It's fun to see some of my favourite things appearing on these lists (no, I won't embarrass myself or anyone else by saying which items) ;-)

You mean embarrass us. :oops:

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 Post subject: Re: Pet hates
PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 9:16 pm 
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techneut wrote:
We are always so positive here, talking about the things we like best. I thought it might be fun to be negative and talk about what we hate in classical music (not just piano music, because there is more that that). It is my philosophy that for each thing you truly love, there must be some other thing you truly hate. Yin and Yang, so to speak :) It's just not possible IMO to love/like all music, and I question the musical taste of anybody who says they do.

So I've listed my top ten of pet hates in no particular order.

    Virtuoso violin music a la Paganini and Sarasate, with lots of sixths, octave doublings, and sul ponticello passages
    Transcriptions for strange combinations of instruments, like recorder or saxophone quartet
    Schubert works for male choir
    Orchestrations of piano pieces (Ravel in particular)
    Flute and harp music
    Baroque opera
    Mendelssohn string quartets
    Fortepiano and other instruments that fill the gap between harpsichord and piano
    Vivaldi (most of it)
    Operetta (most of it)


Let me take a little dig here, so do not think I am either serious or miffed!

Recorders... Well, there was a time when there were really recorder ensembles, but I agree: Mozart played by for recorders...

Talking of Mozart, he was not partial to the flute either!

All right, Ravel orchestrated by Kostellanetz (is that spelled right?) is one thing, but Musorgsky orchestrated by Ravel?

Operetta… but do you know Giuditta?

To the peril of my life I will make my list and it starts, as you might have guessed, with

1. Liszt (Consolations and Liebestraume excepted)
2. Chopin solo piano music (but have you ever heard his songs, his piano trio, his Krakowiak rondo?)
3. The Art of the Fugue, a good part of the Well-Tempered and most of the Musical Offering (trio-sonata excepted)
4. Italian opera, Verdi first (the Harold Robbins of opera)
5. Italian tenors a la Pavarotti (even if they are not always Italian. You know what I mean)
6. Virtuoso music that sounds like virtuoso music (Oh, ah… He can play the violin with his teeth!)
7. Mozart Symphonies (except the 4 last ones)
8. Most of Schoenberg (tonal, atonal and 12-tone: it is all the same to me) and his acolytes (the Gurrelieder are saved)
9. Ee-aw music
10. Tchaikovsky's concerti, tone poems and late symphonies (numbered and not)

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 Post subject: Re: Pet hates
PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 9:22 am 
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richard66 wrote:
1. Liszt (Consolations and Liebestraume excepted)
2. Chopin solo piano music (but have you ever heard his songs, his piano trio, his Krakowiak rondo?)
3. The Art of the Fugue, a good part of the Well-Tempered and most of the Musical Offering (trio-sonata excepted)
7. Mozart Symphonies (except the 4 last ones)
10. Tchaikovsky's concerti, tone poems and late symphonies (numbered and not)

Blimey :shock:
I think we'll have to expel you from the forum.....
Not liking Chopin and the WTC is a dangerous game here :lol:

I (mostly) agree with your other items though.

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 Post subject: Re: Pet hates
PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 12:59 pm 
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For sure, I am shocked :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: Pet hates
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I said I was taking my life into my hands! I live dangerously! :D

but I DO like Chopin's songs (I have recently purchased a copy of them, complete), as well as his variations on La ci darem la mano, the Krakowiak (very well orchestrated, by the way), his piano trio, the sonata for 'cello and piano and the introduction and Polonaise Brillante for 'cello and piano.

And I DO like Tchaikovsky's early symphonies a lot.

What gets me about the Well-Tempered is when you get those recitals, "John Doe will be playing the complete set in the course of 2 concerts over the weekend." Also I tend to prefer them on the harpsichord. I like the Toccatas. Do you know them?

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 Post subject: Re: Pet hates
PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 4:51 pm 
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I'd rather go to the dentist than go to a concert like that....

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 Post subject: Re: Pet hates
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Richard, I didn't want to be the first to express incredulity at your inclusion of Liszt and Chopin (solo piano music: that's about 98% of his output!). That's sort of like being an aviator and saying you don't care for the Supermarine Spitfire or Northamerican P-51 Mustang. It just ain't so! But everyone has their tastes and that's what makes the world go round. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Pet hates
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I am just not normal, the lonely outsider who ends up commiting an enormity, that is all. :oops: But let us be positive: it lets me free to listen ton and to play loads of other pieces and I leave those composers to others.

The funny thing is that my onetime teacher had the same likes concerning Liszt and Chopin (this I learnt afterwards, of course) and I was acquainted with a pianist who shunned Liszt and could bear to listen to Chopin, but not to play him.

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