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 Post subject: Re: Albeniz: Tango from España (Op. 165 No. 2)
PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:24 pm 
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Dropped with a bang!

The guitarist is John Williams and the transciption is possibly by Tarrega, tough I cannot swear to it. Albeniz used to say he liked Tarrega's trancriptions better than his own originals for the piano.

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 Post subject: Re: Albeniz: Tango from España (Op. 165 No. 2)
PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:41 pm 
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Oh, is that passion :roll: It could be me but I think this is just sickly sentimental, and would not be surprised if Albeniz' remark was tongue-in-cheek. Or maybe he meant it, being such a generous nature.

It's time that someone takes up Godowsky's cheeky elaboration of this Tango. I've thought about it but never got serious.

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 Post subject: Re: Albeniz: Tango from España (Op. 165 No. 2)
PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:58 pm 
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And yet it was the guitar that introduced me to Albéniz. Up to this day I am to hear the Leyenda played on a piano!

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 Post subject: Re: Albeniz: Tango from España (Op. 165 No. 2)
PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:49 pm 
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Very nice! I prefer the first one which sounds more natural, to me at least. The second one appears to have some odd echo effects in the first half.


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 Post subject: Re: Albeniz: Tango from España (Op. 165 No. 2)
PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:05 pm 
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Hi Everyone!

I think I was most inspired by this lovely rendition by Alicia de Larrocha: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU2kPTgJGeM (can I embed this video using the code feature?)

She does a little octave doubling in bass, but otherwise plays it in a pretty straight forward manner.

I was busy with lessons and kids yesterday, so didn't get a lot of time to hop in and participate yesterday.
I want to answer your posts, so here goes, all in one reply ~

techneut wrote:
A really nice rendition of this famous and charming Tango ! I can't really think of anything to nitpick on. Unlike Iberia, this is not music that calls for grand gestures and fiery drama, and I like your unfussy, almost understated approach. Keep up the good work and we may have another complete recording of this fun set.


Thank you so much! I am glad you like it. :D

techneut wrote:
We should not fall into the trap of infusing even the slightest of Spanish pieces with tons of hot passion. I don't think these were intended that way. They are elegant salon pieces, no Goyescas. I think this modest approach works fine here, in fact it seems very similar to how I play it (not as if that is anything to go by :lol: ).


Well . . . it *was* Valentine's Day, ha-ha! ;) Seriously, I agree with you here. Plus, there just isn't that much to work with in this little piece. I think it is expressive, but like you said, in an understated sort of way. I didn't want to overdo the rubato, either. Already felt like I was pushing it a little, but it always seems like more inside my head than what comes out of the piano. I must work harder at listening while I play!:)

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My daughter would come up and sing along or play a counter-melody but never complain! I liked your recording, which is the fist I have heard on the piano (I know it from a guitar transcription and from my own playing of it - I have just been practising it.), though I find it a bit dry, understated, as Chris says. Maybe it needs more emotion would add to it.


Thanks for your comments, Richard! I love it when my kids make up duets along with me, usually right around the octave I need to play next, so it ends up being rather comical. Wow, the guitar performance is quite different from mine! Somehow I think that style works better on the guitar than piano. It's nice, but I think it would feel too plodding on this big instrument. If only I could do the vibrato . . . ;) Thank you for sharing the guitar recording. I do like it, and it's good to have for comparison. So much of the Spanish piano repertoire seems to be influenced by the guitar repertoire.

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Adreinne,
Very nicely played. You made me think of it as "Un Recuerdo." Having grown up on vinyl, I think the sound is fine too, but I must not be as much of an audiophile as others here :).


Thank you, Eddy! You know, I think I must have old-audio ears. I listened to a lot of vinyl up until graduate school, and still have a bunch of LPs. :)

Rachfan wrote:
I just listened to your "Tango" and thought it was charming. Very well played! I compared the two recordings you submitted, and thought that the original one (without the reverb) has the a more authentic and pleasant sound. The one with the reverb seems a bit too vibrant. I'd stick with the first recording.


David ~ Thanks for listening. I am inclined to agree with you on this. Maybe I could find some middle-ground with the reverb. I am still new to using the editing software, so surely I can make an adjustment, but maybe on a future piece. I still think my mic placement has something to do with the dryness of sound. Hmmm.

Felipe ~ This is my first foray into the music of Albeniz. Really enjoying it! Thanks for your comments.

Monica ~ I'd like to keep the first version for the site. Thanks for your time and comments! I appreciate it. :D Hope you are enjoying your new job! That would be a huge change for me. I'm used to the 3:30-8:00pm routine, LOL.

~Adrienne

edit: just cleaning up some formatting

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 Post subject: Re: Albeniz: Tango from España (Op. 165 No. 2)
PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:07 pm 
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richard66 wrote:
And yet it was the guitar that introduced me to Albéniz. Up to this day I am to hear the Leyenda played on a piano!


I have a student learning that for a competition . . . on piano! :) Guitar styles have been represented in keyboard works forever -- I love to find examples in the music of Bach and Scarlatti. I get really excited about it, and my students look at me like I have three eyeballs, ha-ha!

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 Post subject: Re: Albeniz: Tango from España (Op. 165 No. 2)
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andrew wrote:
Very nice! I prefer the first one which sounds more natural, to me at least. The second one appears to have some odd echo effects in the first half.


Thanks, Andrew. I agree with you about the echoes. It just sounds manufactured to me (as it is!) -- I'll need more time to learn how to edit for reverb.

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 Post subject: Re: Albeniz: Tango from España (Op. 165 No. 2)
PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:20 pm 
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AdrienneM wrote:
Hi Everyone!

richard66 wrote:
My daughter would come up and sing along or play a counter-melody but never complain! I liked your recording, which is the fist I have heard on the piano (I know it from a guitar transcription and from my own playing of it - I have just been practising it.), though I find it a bit dry, understated, as Chris says. Maybe it needs more emotion would add to it.


Thanks for your comments, Richard! I love it when my kids make up duets along with me, usually right around the octave I need to play next, so it ends up being rather comical. Wow, the guitar performance is quite different from mine! Somehow I think that style works better on the guitar than piano. It's nice, but I think it would feel too plodding on this big instrument. If only I could do the vibrato . . . ;) Thank you for sharing the guitar recording. I do like it, and it's good to have for comparison. So much of the Spanish piano repertoire seems to be influenced by the guitar repertoire.


Maybe it might be an idea to post a 4-hand version and see what happens! :twisted:

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 Post subject: Re: Albeniz: Tango from España (Op. 165 No. 2)
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Richard ~ Ha! That would not be so good . . . :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Albeniz: Tango from España (Op. 165 No. 2)
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AdrienneM wrote:
richard66 wrote:
And yet it was the guitar that introduced me to Albéniz. Up to this day I am to hear the Leyenda played on a piano!


I have a student learning that for a competition . . . on piano! :) Guitar styles have been represented in keyboard works forever -- I love to find examples in the music of Bach and Scarlatti. I get really excited about it, and my students look at me like I have three eyeballs, ha-ha!


You might be interested in hearing this transcription. I think it's superb.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MajxyjWrlPM


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 Post subject: Re: Albeniz: Tango from España (Op. 165 No. 2)
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AdrienneM wrote:
Monica ~ I'd like to keep the first version for the site. Thanks for your time and comments! I appreciate it. :D Hope you are enjoying your new job! That would be a huge change for me. I'm used to the 3:30-8:00pm routine, LOL.


Ok, first version is up. Regarding my job - it is a huge change for me too :!: :!:

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 Post subject: Re: Albeniz: Tango from España (Op. 165 No. 2)
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I got a terrible shock at the end of that recording. Not through any fault of yours, Adrienne, except that your name happens to sort right before Aerosmith in my computer's music collection. I was not expecting a sudden blast of hard rock after such a nice piano piece. :shock:

Good playing, there. Albeniz isn't a composer I'm very familiar with, but I have had an idea I ought to learn more about him. If you'll allow an uninformed opinion, I tend to agree with Chris. It doesn't strike me as a piece that wants a lot of blood and thunder or sentimentality. I thought your approach was very tasteful.


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 Post subject: Re: Albeniz: Tango from España (Op. 165 No. 2)
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Hi Adrienne,
Very nice rendition indeed ! I find much emotion in your tango, but hidden behind nobility and a very iberian pride, which is I think the good attitude with this music. As for the sound, I took the original version and made a very slight mastering, with more loud range and a very discrete reverb. What do you think of it ? I won't be upset if you stick to yours (among the two first, I prefer the one without reverb)...
Looking forward to listening more Albeniz by you ! Regards,

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 Post subject: Re: Albeniz: Tango from España (Op. 165 No. 2)
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Hello François! Thank you very much for the remastered version. I definitely like it better than the second version I posted with the reverb. I think I'll just keep the original version on the site, though. Think there is something about the dynamics and the mic setup that is creating too much echo effect in the louder middle section when reverb is added, and the dampers seem to thunk a bit -- maybe my piano is especially noisy, ha-ha! Not sure if these things are avoidable/fixable in edit (I know next to nothing about editing music files).

Just started playing these pieces from España a few weeks ago. I really enjoy them, and would like to record the rest of the suite. Hope to get back to that here very shortly! :D

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