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 Post subject: Grieg - Wedding-day Op. 65 no. 5
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This piece is so fun!
(can't say the same for marriage...)


Grieg - Wedding Day at Troldhaugen Op. 65 no. 6

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Hi again, Felipe :wink:

This is one of my very favorite Grieg pieces! (also my first video - which I made a big clunker... :lol: ). Anyway, I like your tempo and some of your triplets and grace notes are crystal clear. I wish some of mine would have come out that nicely. And your flow is good. Again, sometimes better than mine. But also there are some times when things are a bit too muffled and I'm not sure if you are using too much pedal, or what. Your pretty middle section came out nice and pretty, but I am hesitating on putting this up because I think you made a reading error that I'm fairly certain is in fact a reading error, because I've heard this piece so many times and have never heard those particular spots that way before. And because we have already several recordings of this piece, any additional recordings need to be (not slip-free) but read-error free.

The places I'm talking about are at bar 29 - the LH should be a B-natural (you play B-flat). Bar 34 - RH top note is a G-natural (you play G-flat). One other thing - your ending - the second from last bar - don't think the RH was correct. Also those notes I think should be more staccato and pay attention to the rests.

If you can prove me wrong about the places, then we'll let it go up. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Grieg - Wedding-day Op. 65 no. 5
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yes! these are reading erros.

Bar 29 I fount it strage when I read it for the first time. It should be B natural, just like the E natural in bar 24.
And there is that G in bar 34 (I think I got too excited with so much flats. I couldn't see G was natural! hehe)

I'll re-record it.
Though you said you enjoyed the triplets, there are some not clear... I don't know if my piano is loosing the singing tone (or maybe this is an acoustic problem due to the weather... these instruments are so sensitive... :lol: )
also that muffled thing, it seems to be an acoustic problem (or a piano problem... my piano seems to fuss in the bass)

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 Post subject: Re: Grieg - Wedding-day Op. 65 no. 5
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here is a new version. I think the triplets are better now (those who were annoying me in the last version... but the first one was more spontaneous and less hurried.)

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 Post subject: Re: Grieg - Wedding-day Op. 65 no. 5
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Good work but I find it a bit hard-driven and relentless. The repeated open fifths are not always clearly enunciated. The slow section, which is to provide the much-needed contrast, nicely done but seems to drag a bit. There is again that thumping noise (dampers ?) which I noticed in earlier recordings of yours. Maybe your recorder is too close ?

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 Post subject: Re: Grieg - Wedding-day Op. 65 no. 5
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I really don't know! Nothing changed (the only thing that changed lately is the equalizing). The recorder is at the exact same distance...

I discovered while recording this piece that there is an A-key which is making noise. I'll ask the tuner to do something about it.

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 Post subject: Re: Grieg - Wedding-day Op. 65 no. 5
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Not sure why this was not put up already, but I've put your second version up now. I like it much better now. Really, great job on this, Felipe. The only thing is the ending, which you still played the second bar from the end incorrectly. The RH should play together a B and E below middle C. Also, these 5ths in both hands should be separated by the rests and played staccato. If you could fix that one place, it will be a very nice version. I can replace the file if you do so.

One more thing - it's no. 6, not 5....

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 Post subject: Re: Grieg - Wedding-day Op. 65 no. 5
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pianolady wrote:
One other thing - your ending - the second from last bar - don't think the RH was correct. Also those notes I think should be more staccato and pay attention to the rests.

Sorry... when I read this, I thought you were saying the staccato (?) in the bar before last was wrong. So I didn't pay attention there was a misreading there too.

I've redone only the ending. I hope the cut is inaudible. My soundboard is making noises (like that of an LP) and I can't clearly hear whether the cut is well done.

PS: this recording was made at 2 pm, and it is clearer (in sound quality) than that one I made yesterday night. I told you these instruments are sensitive... :roll:

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Not sure where the cut is, but I didn't hear it.
I think though that the second open fifth in the penultimate bar is wrong. The RH still has the bass clef here, at least in my Peters edition.

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 Post subject: Re: Grieg - Wedding-day Op. 65 no. 5
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yes, you're right. :shock:

if I understood correctly, Monica said I should play E and B (which would be if the clef was treble). I was influenced, so I didn't see the bass clef.

time for reredoing it.

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 Post subject: Re: Grieg - Wedding-day Op. 65 no. 5
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felipesarro wrote:
yes, you're right. :shock:

if I understood correctly, Monica said I should play E and B (which would be if the clef was treble). I was influenced, so I didn't see the bass clef.

time for reredoing it.


Well, I did say B and E BELOW middle C....

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It's actually D and G.

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Oh sh*t, I knew that! But now Felipe is right now re-re-recording this with an E and then he'll have to re-re-re-record with the D.
Felipe, I sure wish you would have simply listened to this piece first!

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wait wait wait Felipe - this is all wrong....

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 Post subject: Re: Grieg - Wedding-day Op. 65 no. 5
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The RH notes are very low D and G. There is a bass clef sign there. I knew how to play it, but not how to explain it correctly before. Hope I didn't confuse you too much.... :oops:

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 Post subject: Re: Grieg - Wedding-day Op. 65 no. 5
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well... this is not a piece I have listened too much and with much care. I have the Austbo and the Mourão recording, and I have listened to both only once.
anyway... I find the ending more beautiful the way I played at first! hehe (G and D two octaves higher. I'll make an "edition" of this piece and offers it to Schirmer.)

here is the (re)³recording. (after so many redos, I hope I submitted the latest version)

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the lesson we all learned today is: people can help you. or not.

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pianolady wrote:
Oh sh*t, I knew that! But now Felipe is right now re-re-recording this with an E and then he'll have to re-re-re-record with the D.
Felipe, I sure wish you would have simply listened to this piece first!

Hehe... we can keep him busy for a while like this :lol: :P

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Ok, Felipe, this one is the keeper. :D I've replaced it. And although we may have had you hopping today, at least after all that you got a decent recording. You can thank me by buying me something...:lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Grieg - Wedding-day Op. 65 no. 5
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Wow, I am so sorry I missed all the excitement on this thread! :D

Felipe, I don't know which version I just heard, but I think it is the official one up on the site. I think you are conveying great energy here! Sometimes it is a little breathless, but the middle section was very nice; I liked the tempo in this most recent take. Have you heard the 1903 recording by Grieg? It's just the last third of the piece, without the lyrical middle section, and the sound quality is very scratchy, but worth hearing. It's on YouTube, easy to find by searching "Grieg Wedding Day."

In the 4th(?) measure of those big ascending chords, the last time they appear, I might hesitate slightly more, to create even greater anticipation for the returning theme. Those chords could breathe a little more, and this would give you the chance to make a broader crescendo, too. What do you think? I don't have the score in front of me to give you measure numbers . . .

A little O/T: I had the privilege of hearing Danish pianist Mogens Dalsgaard give a lecture recital on this piece back in 1990 or so, when I was in college. He explained what the story was behind each section of the piece, and after sharing the stories, he played it and it was just so wonderful to picture the wedding day. Troldhaugen refers to Grieg's home, where he and his wife were married, so it is autobiographical. The lecture in combo with the performance really brought the piece to life. I remember one of the other pieces he talked about was Debussy's "Sunken Cathedral." When he played it, I had goosebumps the entire time. Wish I had taken and kept notes on that lecture! :)

Really enjoyed listening to your recording! I think it sounds great, regardless of those LH notes at the end. ;) Looking forward to your next submission here.

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pianolady wrote:
Ok, Felipe, this one is the keeper. :D I've replaced it. And although we may have had you hopping today, at least after all that you got a decent recording. You can thank me by buying me something...:lol:

I think I'm gonna buy you some glasses. :lol:

AdrienneM wrote:
Sometimes it is a little breathless, but the middle section was very nice; I liked the tempo in this most recent take.

the other versions differed only in wrong notes. hehe
but I think this new version is more breathless (that happens when I record the same piece several times... the first time is a joy! the other ones are obligation. I kinda play like "let's finish it as soon as possible". :? )

I didn't know there were recordings by Grieg. I'll check them!

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In the 4th(?) measure of those big ascending chords, the last time they appear, I might hesitate slightly more, to create even greater anticipation for the returning theme. Those chords could breathe a little more, and this would give you the chance to make a broader crescendo, too. What do you think? I don't have the score in front of me to give you measure numbers . . .

I did a little of ritarding in the second time... in fact I did it by accident. I was really tired, that why I couldn't play those chords a tempo. but it sounded good, and I agree with you: there should be a little more of it! I should even do it in the first time (the second time it should be broader, as you said. good idea).

thanks for listening and commenting!

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Hi Felipe, as usual you seem to enjoy your playing and the music itself and this let also the listeners enjoy your playing :)
The possible improvements were already said by Chris and I'd like only to say that I enjoyed your playing this fun piece!

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hyenal wrote:
Hi Felipe, as usual you seem to enjoy your playing and the music itself and this let also the listeners enjoy your playing :)

thanks, Hye Jin!

hyenal wrote:
The possible improvements were already said by Chris

yes, in this last take it is hurried. about the dragging in the middle section, I find it a matter of taste (hence subjective).

hyenal wrote:
I'd like only to say that I enjoyed your playing this fun piece!

thanks for listening!

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Hi Felipe,

I've only played a few Grieg pieces, but not this one. From listening though, I believe you've played it very well. The playing of the main theme is stately and also light and airy when that touch is required, and you pay close attention to all the many fussy details there too, managing throughout to convey the excitement of the wedding day. Your playing of the middle part is very lyrical indeed--beautiful playing. You've given a fine account of this work!

A humorous note: There is an old movie-musical from the 1950s, "The King and I" which starred Yul Brynner and Deborah Kerr with musical soundtrack by Rogers and Hammerstein. There is a part in the film when the numerous King's children are introduced one by one to their new governess. The music that accompanies that scene reminds me of this Grieg piece, and vice versa. Of course Grieg came first, so probably Rogers took his inspiration from the former.

Again, a very nice performance of the Grieg.

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thanks, David!

about the other similar piece...
that happens. I've already written at least two pieces which I discovered they were "copies" of others (sometimes, not copies, but they were too similar). of course... the difference with Rogers is that I quit writing or performing them after I discovered they are not original. hehe

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A great improvement, principally in the middle section. I must say, after hearing the first version, I reached out from my Grieg, because I could not remember this piece being so long and finiding out that section occupies just a page. On listening again I did not get this feeling.

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thanks!

Austbo recording (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq83dUB37rI) lasts 15 seconds shorter than mine. he plays the middle section faster, but his ritardings are broader.

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I've definitely heard this piece before, but have no idea where or when! In any case, this is good playing, with spirit in the outer sections and a nice feel to the lyrical middle. The sound on the Austbo recording is better (perhaps that's only to be expected); I'm not quite sure about the higher trebles on your piano (for example, from the start of the second page going by the score on youtube) but perhaps my ears are having a fussy day. :)


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thanks!

you mean the higher pitches of mine are out of tune? or they're weak?

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I thought there were a couple of notes which are not quite right (it was a very marginal thing though). I'm beginning to doubt myself, however! I'm sure I heard it first time, but now I've listened to the relevant passage about 20 times now and I don't always catch it. I wouldn't worry about it.


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felipesarro wrote:
thanks, David!

about the other similar piece...
that happens. I've already written at least two pieces which I discovered they were "copies" of others (sometimes, not copies, but they were too similar). of course... the difference with Rogers is that I quit writing or performing them after I discovered they are not original. hehe


Don't tell me! I once wrote a lovely piece and was very happy. That is, until I heard something on the radio that sounded familiar on the radio! :lol: The other day I picked another tune only to find my wife singing it and then I found it on one of my CDs.

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