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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 5:49 pm 
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How do I count out the beats for a 2/2 time signature? Are there two beats per measure? What are the lengths of a eigth note?

Here is the 2/2 piece I am trying to learn:

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In 2/2, there are 2 half notes per measure, which means it's just like 4/4, but usually it's faster, so the beats are counted by the half note instead of the quarter note. ;)

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I second on that. :lol:


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Terez wrote:
In 2/2, there are 2 half notes per measure, which means it's just like 4/4, but usually it's faster, so the beats are counted by the half note instead of the quarter note. ;)


It's more like 2/4 IMO


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juufa72 wrote:
How do I count out the beats for a 2/2 time signature? Are there two beats per measure? What are the lengths of a eigth note?

Here is the 2/2 piece I am trying to learn:


The eighth notes are four per half note, as per usual; they serve the same function as sixteenth notes in 2/4 time.


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This is how I would do it. First, get a slow and steady two-beat pulse going in your head. Then plug in this counting.


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PJF wrote:
Terez wrote:
In 2/2, there are 2 half notes per measure, which means it's just like 4/4, but usually it's faster, so the beats are counted by the half note instead of the quarter note. ;)


It's more like 2/4 IMO

It's like 2/4 in the way that it's counted, but there are still 4 quarters in a measure, so it's just as much like 4/4. The only difference between the way 2/2 and 4/4 are read is speed, and that can be very relative because some composers don't bother with 2/2 or cut time. In 2/4, there's only one half note per measure. I just think it's simpler to keep in mind that it's read just like 4/4 - trying to convert eighth notes to sixteenths is just unnecessary confusion. :lol:

But if you've ever played anything in cut time, juuf, it's just like that. ;) (Image)

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I can think of no good reason why Liszt chose to use 2/2 instead of 4/4 here. It's about as four-square a piece as they come. Speed is hardly likely as a Wiegenlied is not supposed to go fast.

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Not even Liszt is spared from the glare of techneut :)


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bclever wrote:
Even Liszt is not spared from the glare of techneut :)

That could be so :wink:
But I may be missing something vital here and would like to know what is intended with this 2/2.

Not that I feel that it matters much though.. I'd not play it any differently whether it said 2/2, 4/4, or 7/8. Actually the time signature seems superfluous as one can clearly see there are four quarters in a bar. Hm :?

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I've never seen or heard it before and found a short clip so you can hear the tempo and how it does indeed sound like there are two beats per measure.

http://mp3fiesta.com/wiegenlied_chant_d ... ng1598061/

It's a pretty piece! Hope you can record it for us, Julius.

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Didn't he sell his Edirol? :lol:

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Oh, yes. You’re right. Never mind, Julius. Terez will record this when she gets her Edirol. :D

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In that clip that pianolady posted, it sure seems easier to count it in 4 rather than 2. Especially
since that 2nd half-note beat falls in the middle of that tied quarter-eighth note figure.


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Terez wrote:
PJF wrote:
Terez wrote:
In 2/2, there are 2 half notes per measure, which means it's just like 4/4, but usually it's faster, so the beats are counted by the half note instead of the quarter note. ;)


It's more like 2/4 IMO

It's like 2/4 in the way that it's counted, but there are still 4 quarters in a measure, so it's just as much like 4/4. The only difference between the way 2/2 and 4/4 are read is speed, and that can be very relative because some composers don't bother with 2/2 or cut time. In 2/4, there's only one half note per measure. I just think it's simpler to keep in mind that it's read just like 4/4 - trying to convert eighth notes to sixteenths is just unnecessary confusion. :lol:

But if you've ever played anything in cut time, juuf, it's just like that. ;) (Image)


Yeah, I'm just splitting quavers. :lol:


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