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 Post subject: Valentina Lisitsa - I totally believe in her
PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 7:13 am 
I have read with respect all the comments on this forum about Valentina Lisitsa and, as normal, I see that no pianist ever seems to please everyone in all respects which is fair enough and keeps the art form interesting. The overall take is good though - respect and admiration which I say are well deserved.

I admit that I know Val personally only to reveal a few insights about this wonder of the piano. I was married to a concert-trained pianist and had more than one also in my extended family. I have messed around with piano myself (even had lessons !) sufficient to understand its challenges. I've seen live concerts by Moura Lympany, Fou T'song, Peter Katin and the lesser known Janusz Stechley all of whom had much to excite me - of all I found Moura Lympany (then I think in her 60s) very impressive - but Val created a total eclipse of them all at the Wigmore Hall last Saturday when she performed a tremendous program which included Rachmaninoff, Beethoven, Schumann and Liszt.

This was an unforgettable experience and the normally reserved Wigmore audience were clearly stirred, they even cheered at the end & Val had to do two encores, her Leibestraum in particular carrying pure emotion and I'd have been glad just to be there for that alone.

During her Rossini-Thalberg Fantasy on Barber of Seville I actually felt transported to various places such as a summer forest at one point, a warm beach with sun and sangria at another, so glorious and evocative were the sounds she produced. Her Appassionata was an exercise in proving this great piece had not been hackneyed after all - in Val's hands it was both intellectually pleasing and exciting at the same time.

Her Liszt Totentanz had my heart racing and indeed I laughed along with other members of the audience around me at the sheer wonder of it all.

For the technophiles here are a few insights - only my own of course - I sat right beside Val as she rehearsed and noticed that she has at the same time incredible relaxation and intense concentration. She has developed her natural pianism to harness athleticism with great control and I notice that her rather "Beethoven-esque" clarity and integrity tends to come through when playing composers like Liszt whom some might construe as rather vulgar. I love this aspect of Val's playing and was intrigued to hear great flowing continuity in fast Appassionata passages while observing that her feet were either on the left pedal only or off both of them except a touch of the right one on particular chords. She is truly electrifying. For the extreme technophiles I quote the reaction of my friend Marek, "I was MESMERISED - I would never have thought such playing was humanly possible !".

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I'm totally behind Valentina Lisitsa as well. She has never failed to impress me both technically or musically, and she tends to bring something new and exciting, but not at all insufficient to her interpretations.

Musically she has given me more than any other pianist, singer or band for that matter. I'll be forever thankful for that and, again, I'm totally behind her.

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I think she will be elevated to the level of the greats after she dies. Is it just me or does fame occur posthumously?

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It's just you. :lol:

There are so many fine pianists out there currently, and it seems like only those who played in public for decades are the ones you still hear about after they're dead. She may be considered one of the 'greats' if she has a long career. I think Kissin is a 'great' right now, though.

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I love her too! I could easily be persuaded to switch my cyber-stalking from Monica to her in a heartbeat! :P

Btw, Mon ... how did that Kissin Brahms concert go?

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I'm sure she wouldn't mind. :lol: :lol:

Have not been to the Kissin concert, yet. It's not until March. Don't worry, I'll post a report. :wink: :lol:

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I'm sure she wouldn't mind. :lol: :lol:

Have not been to the Kissin concert, yet. It's not until March. Don't worry, I'll post a report. :wink: :lol:


Sneak your Edirol into the concert and press record!!!

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Next time you snuggle up besides Val again, give her my love, will you ?

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pianolady wrote:
I'm sure she wouldn't mind. :lol: :lol:


Who wouldn't mind? Val? or you? ... *hands on hips* are you trying to get rid of me???? :roll:

Off-topic: Everytime I glance at juuf's new signature, the words "naked banana" just seem to jump out at me. Anyone else??

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Off-topic: Everytime I glance at juuf's new signature, the words "naked banana" just seem to jump out at me. Anyone else??



Duck.

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Indeed... the naked banana is just... there.

It always makes me look up, because when I see the word naked, I have to find out who and where... and when I see the word banana next to it...

Well... I'm a teenager. That's to be expected of me... right? :lol:

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 Post subject: Ahem, bananas (denuded or otherwise) aside ....
PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:17 pm 
.... might I respectfully steer this thread back to a "valid" topic: here it is.

If I were told I must cite other instrumentalists I like - not pianists - they would be Hilary Hahn (whom we've seen & will see again in Brussels, soon - Val's duo partner), Anne-Sophie Mutter and Evelyn Glennie.

I still stick by Val as my "tops" & of course we all have those & I accept that appreciation of the arts is subjective.

I'd like to challenge the forum:

State your preferred or most hated pianist, then choose up to three works of art that correspond to that (the works of art can be paintings or sculptures for example) and explain why.

Here is an example: Lang Lang corresponds to "The Scream" (need I say more :)

A painting of a peeled banana might well correspond to a pianist but do let's see who defends that position ...

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Well... I'm a teenager. That's to be expected of me... right? :lol:


Hmm, I'm 32. nuff said. :P

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nathanscoleman wrote:
demonic_advent wrote:

Well... I'm a teenager. That's to be expected of me... right? :lol:


Hmm, I'm 32. nuff said. :P


Awesome job loosing the topic again!

I wonder how long we can keep this up for... :shock:

But... to get back on topic... Rachmaninoff as a pianist reminds me of a naked banana... the reason of course being that in his playing he bares his inner soul to use, removing the outer shell... or banana peel. Besides, bananas are long and thin... Rachmaninoff was something like 6'6" or something like that, and really skinny...

Damn... I just compared one of my favorite composers/pianists/conductors to a banana...

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Ah sod the topic... it was name dropping anyway.
I love naked bananas. They taste much better than with the peel on. :wink:

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techneut wrote:
I love naked bananas.


too .... many ... jokes .... must .... make ... dirty ... comment .... aaarrrgggghhhh *head explodes*

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Ah sod the topic... it was name dropping anyway.
I love naked bananas. They taste much better than with the peel on. :wink:



If the boss can go Off Topic, then by rule, so can us pee-ons!!!! WoOOHOOO!!

I saw a turtle today :wink: :lol:


Cziffra is a like a banana peel....

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If the boss can go Off Topic, then by rule, so can us pee-ons!!!! WoOOHOOO!!

We never made a big deal about going OT here. It's what conversations do...
And needless to say I am not the boss :lol:

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When I hear the phrase "off topic", it somehow makes me think of "hot pockets."

If it weren't for the fact that I don't like them... I'd go eat one now.

But I'd rather eat a naked banana...

How's that for off-topic?

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demonic_advent wrote:
But I'd rather eat a naked banana...

How's that for off-topic?

You are doing great :lol:

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For a change, I'm going back OT (On topic)

Two of my favorite pianists are Kissin and Zimmerman. But i can't think of any artwork that I can connect to them. So instead, and even though he is dead, I'll go with my all-time favorite musician, Chopin. One of my favorite artists is Renoir, and the following two paintings are how I connect paintings with Chopin. (may be a bit of a stretch, but so what)


In this one, I am the woman and Chopin is looking up at me in adoration.

Image


In the second one, he is leading me to a secret rendezvous place for some....(can't say)



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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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I forgot - there are innocent ears and eyes, here. But this is tame. :)

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he is leading me to a secret rendezvous place for some....


... some cookies? mmmmm, cookies

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posting at the exact same time, Nathan.

Yeah, cookies! :wink:

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 Post subject: Renoir
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These paintings are quite fantastic.

Wouldn't mind a good pianist playing while looking at these :) What a total experience !!


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Well... Chopin might give you cookies...

But did Rachmaninoff give you his naked banana?

... I think not! :shock:

(I can't explain why I feel this urge to bring up the banana again... I just do :D )

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LOL ... everytime I see your signature, it makes me want to post Bach ... Not only would it knock your powdered wig off, the collective intact of breath from Bach purists may cause high altitude sickness amongst fellow PS'ers. :shock:

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This post is about Val....now we are taking about rendezvous-ing with a pianist in the woods. Oh wow, this site is something!!

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And here's the pic that goes with the quote.

http://mmedesaintange.deviantart.com/ar ... K-16041177

I didn't draw this picture... some random guy on Deviant Art did... I was just browsing around and I found it...

AND...

To bring up the naked banana again...

There. I just did. :D

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Cilantro is disgusting. I washed my car yesterday. Sometimes, it rains when the sun is shining. How now, brown cow? Silk comes from a worm's behind. Just 353 shopping days till Christmas! Bananas are a high glycemic-index food. Honey is concentrated bee vomit. Pigs are usually smarter than dogs.
You will go on a diet and end up gaining weight. Stop, think, Tylenol. Have you driven a Ford, lately? VHS is obsolete. Two and two are four. Sorry, but our princess is in another castle! Two wrongs don't make a right, three lefts do. No I'm doesn't. "You had it set to M for mini, when you should've had it set to W for wumbo." I'm a very good driver. Ken Jennings is Mormon. Hydrophilic contact lenses usually are well tolerated. Do not drive or operate heavy machinery or perform other dangerous tasks, until you know how you'll react to Ambien-CR. The wealthiest man in the world is Bill Gates. All the gold ever mined would fit into a cube 50 feet on each side. Diamonds are a girl's best friend. The end is near. All's well that ends well.

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I think you guys are going nuts! :) Too much sugar?

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I think you guys are going nuts! :) Too much sugar?


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I beg to differ! VHS is not dead! It survives in my household!

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VHS is not dead! It survives in my household!


Here too! Long live abject poverty! :lol:

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What???!!! :shock: Cilantro is yummy! :) What is wrong with you? :cry:

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Really?? Cool stat.

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Yes, indeed. This post is over.

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Here's why I don't like cilantro:

Being a runner in the deep south, I've ingested more than my fair share of stinkbugs. To me, cilantro is reminiscent. Under ripe persimmons are about as good.

No........more..........politics. I swear, if I hear the results one more poll (blech!)

ANYWAY...

Valentina Lisitsa is truly one of those giants, IMO. History will prove her right, I think. Every time I see her, I literally gasp.


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If I were a woman I would totally dissappear in the woods for a little while with Rachmaninoff...

Just thought I'd bring this thread slightly back on topic... but still rather... off.

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I would run off with Val.....we're getting closer to the topic :wink:

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ANYWAY...

Valentina Lisitsa is truly one of those giants, IMO. History will prove her right, I think. Every time I see her, I literally gasp.


Back on topic :D

You are absolutely right. I heard her last year with Hilary Hahn, and was astonished. My reactions to that concert are posted somewhere else in this forum. The best younger pianist I've heard in years. She was such a hit, they're bringing her back with her husband Alexi Kuznetsoff; check out this program, which I have the honor of giving the pre-concert lecture for! 8)



VALENTINA LISITSA
ALEXI KUZNETSOFF

Petite Suite Claude Debussy
Fantasy in F Minor Robert Schubert
Two Hungarian Dances Johannes Brahms
INTERMISSION
Two Rhapsodies, Op. 79 Johannes Brahms
Sonata in B-flat Major, Op 106 "Hammerklavier" Ludwig van Beethoven


Robert Schubert, we don't have a composer page for him yet; he must be important.... :D


BTW what's with you people? This forum has become quite horny.... :P


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with her husband Alexi Kuznetsoff


:shock: :shock: Darn it all to heck!!! There goes my three year plan ... *sigh* .... now, who'm I gonna stalk and then blackmail into marriage????? Mon, it looks like you and me are back on! :lol:

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BTW what's with you people? This forum has become quite horny....


I'm reminded of a Scripture: "Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners." 1 Cor 15:33

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BTW what's with you people? This forum has become quite horny.... :P



forum? pshh, look at how sexualized the world has become, unless, that is, you live in Saudi Arabia.

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To go back on topic for a moment - I saw Valentina perform at the Bosendorfer salon in New York last fall. I guess she's been touring with the same program for a while. She played:
3 or 4 Rachmaninoff Etudes and Preludes (including THE etude)
Beethoven Appassionata
Rossini-Thalberg Fantasy
Liszt Totentanz

To be honest, it wasn't that good. The Rachmaninoff pieces were well played but nothing exceptional (and she played the A minor Etude way more safely than in her crazy Youtube video). The Beethoven was filled with wrong notes and fragmentary playing. The Thalberg had moments of impressive virtuosity, but I could tell she was still playing it safe in a lot of places, at the expense of the structure of the piece. Likewise with the Liszt, plus numerous missed notes. The Liszt was still impressive, because it's a crazy piece, but still, I wasn't satisfied with it. I talked with her after the performance, and she said it was very challenging playing on the piano, because it was a concert-size Bosendorfer (without the extra keys) and was thus very loud, in a salon of about 40 people. It seemed like these pieces were all new to her, and maybe she hadn't REALLY learned them fully by the time she performed at the Bosendorfer salon. With such a small venue I can see how you wouldn't take it as seriously as Carnegie Hall.

I still put her on my extended list of favorite pianists on the merits of her performance of Rachmaninoff Op. 39 No. 6, which I consider the best performance of the piece I've ever heard (better than the composer himself), but I think Valentina still may need a little more seasoning before she reaches her true potential.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:37 am 
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juufa72 wrote:
forum? pshh, look at how sexualized the world has become


And isn't it wonderful?

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