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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 8:08 am 
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Does anyone know where I might be able to find letters that were written TO Chopin? I've got the ones he wrote, but I see references to letters that he received in biographies, but can't find a source for them anywhere! :cry:

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I was under the impression that Chopin's sister burned all the letters he received. Or maybe just the letters from Sand.

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Yes, I thought I had read something to that effect (and also that George Sand destroyed most of his letters to her?), but I've been guzzling biographies and commentary books lately. But I have definitely seen reference to a few letters TO Chopin, so maybe a few were somehow saved. I'll have to look into it some more.

I haven't read the letters since high school, and I've only ever read Liszt and Huneker before now. It's been fun getting back into the subject, after having gotten my brain into academic mode for a couple of years (more so than with my first stint at school, as I've mostly been taking upperclassman courses this time around).

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I think I have read every biography on Chopin ever written, and have the Chopin Letters sitting on my nightstand right now. Except, I haven't read it in awhile either. (I dust it off now and then when I'm cleaning) I don't really have time to do any reading lately. :(

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pianolady wrote:
I think I have read every biography on Chopin ever written, and have the Chopin Letters sitting on my nightstand right now. Except, I haven't read it in awhile either. (I dust it off now and then when I'm cleaning) I don't really have time to do any reading lately. :(

I have been avoiding it because I knew it would suck me in. Well, since I went back to school, anyway - before then the resources weren't really available to me. But wow, there are a lot of biographies written on Chopin. And then there's all the books that are less biographical than the others, but still illuminating.

But I'm on Christmas break, so I have time. I will be wanting to get back to the library to get more books soon. I wish I had Questia. :cry:

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Since you are devouring Chopin-related books, I just went through my bookshelf and pulled out a book that I think you would enjoy. It's titled, "The Parisian Worlds of Frederic Chopin" by William G. Atwood. It's filled with so much information about all the places where Chopin lived, the restaurants, theaters, salons he frequented, and all the people in his life when he lived in Paris. Very interesting book, I hope you can get your hands on a copy.

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pianolady wrote:
Since you are devouring Chopin-related books, I just went through my bookshelf and pulled out a book that I think you would enjoy. It's titled, "The Parisian Worlds of Frederic Chopin" by William G. Atwood. It's filled with so much information about all the places where Chopin lived, the restaurants, theaters, salons he frequented, and all the people in his life when he lived in Paris. Very interesting book, I hope you can get your hands on a copy.

It is on my list of things to get from the library tomorrow. :D I seriously don't know how I'm going to carry all these books out - I have a list of 30 to check out, not counting the ones I have now that I need to check out again. There are some that I need that the library doesn't have, also, like the book George Sand wrote about their time in Majorca. The closest library that has it is over 100 miles away. :cry:

LOL Nevermind, I just saw a review of it:

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I found this book disappointing, because I expected it to be about the relationship between George Sand and Frederic Chopin while in Majorca. However, this book has absolutely nothing to do with either Sand or Chopin. This book is entirely made up of George Sand describing the scenery, people, and foods of Majorca, and just complaining about how she hated it there. And to make it worse, there are footnotes on every page saying that Sand was totally wrong about everything she was saying. I would not recommend this book to anyone, unless they wanted to read up on what Majorca was like during the 1800's.

Her autobiography was more helpful than that—and that reads sort of like a combination between a philosophy book and a gossip column. Good reading, though. She was clearly one of the most intelligent members of the Paris circle, such as it was.

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I think I’d like that gossip column book of hers!

But what I was thinking about last night is not a book written by Sand or a book about Chopin. Around ten years ago I was like you and was reading all I could find on Chopin. At the same time I wanted to learn more about the time period itself and also know a little more about the people whose names kept appearing in the books about Chopin and Sand. So I read a couple books by Balzac, Hugo and someone else that I can’t remember. The Balzac novel was Cousin Bette (good) and the Hugo novel was The Hunchback of Notre Dame. ( Actually, I think I gave up halfway through ‘Hunchback’ and watched the movie, instead. :lol:) To me it was interesting to read them because their writing styles showed the current trends in those days and in a round-about-way helped me understand Chopin a little more since he was hanging around with these guys. I also read only one Sand novel – the one she wrote when her relationship with Chopin was going sour – titled, Lucrezia Floriani. The writing style of these authors is not easy to read, for me anyway. They are very ‘wordy’ and hard to follow. And Sand sometimes breaks in the middle of a paragraph in her novel which is written in third person and suddenly talks to the ‘dear reader’ in first person. I’m not crazy about that, but still it’s interesting and sheds light on 19th century life, which again in a way helps to know Chopin better. :D (which is all that matters! :lol: )

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pianolady wrote:
I think I’d like that gossip column book of hers!

But what I was thinking about last night is not a book written by Sand or a book about Chopin. Around ten years ago I was like you and was reading all I could find on Chopin. At the same time I wanted to learn more about the time period itself and also know a little more about the people whose names kept appearing in the books about Chopin and Sand. So I read a couple books by Balzac, Hugo and someone else that I can’t remember. The Balzac novel was Cousin Bette (good) and the Hugo novel was The Hunchback of Notre Dame. ( Actually, I think I gave up halfway through ‘Hunchback’ and watched the movie, instead. :lol:) To me it was interesting to read them because their writing styles showed the current trends in those days and in a round-about-way helped me understand Chopin a little more since he was hanging around with these guys. I also read only one Sand novel – the one she wrote when her relationship with Chopin was going sour – titled, Lucrezia Floriani. The writing style of these authors is not easy to read, for me anyway. They are very ‘wordy’ and hard to follow. And Sand sometimes breaks in the middle of a paragraph in her novel which is written in third person and suddenly talks to the ‘dear reader’ in first person. I’m not crazy about that, but still it’s interesting and sheds light on 19th century life, which again in a way helps to know Chopin better. :D (which is all that matters! :lol: )

Yes, I was debating on whether or not to read Lucrezia Floriani, since she claims that Karol was not based on Chopin at all. I got access to her autobiography through the school online library, which requires a login, but I copied the relevant chapters (only the last two, out of MANY) for my reading convenience, and you can read them here. She starts off in the first of the two chapters talking about other things, but she gets to Chopin soon enough, and only leaves him for brief periods in those two chapters. I have been reading in the biographies that she has been shown to have lied quite a bit in her autobiography, by the reemergence of some letters that she probably believed to be destroyed.

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 Post subject: Re: Letters to Chopin
PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:52 pm 
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Terez wrote:
Does anyone know where I might be able to find letters that were written TO Chopin? I've got the ones he wrote, but I see references to letters that he received in biographies, but can't find a source for them anywhere! :cry:


First, look at the Letters of Liszt in the "Publications" section of this site. There is one specifically adressed to Chopin, one co-written by Liszt and Chopin and several with mentions of Chopin.

That led me to think that you may be able to find similar letters in collections of letters by other people that Chopin may have had contact with during this time -- Composers, musicians, authors, artists, etc.

(You might even be able to get a book deal out of it if no one else has collected such correspondances.)


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 Post subject: Re: Letters to Chopin
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RSPIll wrote:
Terez wrote:
Does anyone know where I might be able to find letters that were written TO Chopin? I've got the ones he wrote, but I see references to letters that he received in biographies, but can't find a source for them anywhere! :cry:


First, look at the Letters of Liszt in the "Publications" section of this site. There is one specifically adressed to Chopin, one co-written by Liszt and Chopin and several with mentions of Chopin.

That led me to think that you may be able to find similar letters in collections of letters by other people that Chopin may have had contact with during this time -- Composers, musicians, authors, artists, etc.

(You might even be able to get a book deal out of it if no one else has collected such correspondances.)

Yeah, I just read the story of what happened to Chopin's letters that he had saved. His sister was apparently entrusted with them, but for some reason couldn't get them through customs when crossing the Polish border. Which seems highly odd. In any case, she entrusted them with someone else, to distribute to the people they were from (Chopin apparently bundled them separately, and labeled them). Also, he supposedly made a copy of them which he sent to his father before distributing them, and this biographer frustrates me by not making any mention of what happened to that copy (though I assume it is lost). In any case, George Sand destroyed the letters, both written and received, or more likely her son Maurice destroyed the ones concerning Chopin after her death. That includes letters to and from other people that seem to have been purged of mentions of Chopin. Very few of her letters survive that mention him, and a few have only surfaced relatively recently.

It's going to be a serious pain, tracking these down. :cry:

The letter from Chopin, Liszt, and Auguste Franchomme, to Ferdinand Hiller, is included in the Chopin letters, though the bits not written by Chopin are not included, barring the places where they write in brief tandem.

I didn't make it to the library today, but I should make it tomorrow.

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 Post subject: Re: Letters to Chopin
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Terez wrote:
Yeah, I just read the story of what happened to Chopin's letters that he had saved. His sister was apparently entrusted with them, but for some reason couldn't get them through customs when crossing the Polish border. Which seems highly odd. In any case, she entrusted them with someone else, to distribute to the people they were from (Chopin apparently bundled them separately, and labeled them). Also, he supposedly made a copy of them which he sent to his father before distributing them, and this biographer frustrates me by not making any mention of what happened to that copy (though I assume it is lost). In any case, George Sand destroyed the letters, both written and received, or more likely her son Maurice destroyed the ones concerning Chopin after her death. That includes letters to and from other people that seem to have been purged of mentions of Chopin. Very few of her letters survive that mention him, and a few have only surfaced relatively recently.

It's going to be a serious pain, tracking these down. :cry:


I never heard that before about Chopin making copies of his letters and then giving them to his father. Very interesting...

That Maurice! :x

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 Post subject: Re: Letters to Chopin
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pianolady wrote:
I never heard that before about Chopin making copies of his letters and then giving them to his father.

No, no...after Chopin died, his sister took his letters with her back to Poland, but then she couldn't get them through the border so she entrusted them to someone else to distribute, and THAT person made copies of them and sent the copy to his father, before distributing them. Other people kept or published their letters after his death (or after their deaths) but Sand or Maurice destroyed most of her Chopin letters. The ones that do survive are VERY juicy! Mostly because she contradicts things she said publicly, in those letters...

Also, I found the letters! There's a book compiled by Arthur Hedley, called 'Selected Correspondence of Fryderyk Chopin'. I had always overlooked this book, because it says 'selected', while 'Chopin's Letters', which I have, is ostensibly complete. But it only has letters written by Chopin. The Hedley book has letters to AND from, and it is 'selected' because Hedley removed several very short letters that he was quite sure would be of interest to nobody. The book is quite a bit bigger than the mass-marketed version with only the letters Chopin wrote.

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That Maurice! :x

Indeed, I don't like him! It's not Chopin's fault he was a little bit deranged. That's what it takes to make good music. :cry:

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Terez wrote:
pianolady wrote:
I never heard that before about Chopin making copies of his letters and then giving them to his father.

No, no...after Chopin died, his sister took his letters with her back to Poland, but then she couldn't get them through the border so she entrusted them to someone else to distribute, and THAT person made copies of them and sent the copy to his father, before distributing them. Other people kept or published their letters after his death (or after their deaths) but Sand or Maurice destroyed most of her Chopin letters. The ones that do survive are VERY juicy! Mostly because she contradicts things she said publicly, in those letters...

Oh, okay - got it. Thanks for clearing that up.

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Also, I found the letters! There's a book compiled by Arthur Hedley, called 'Selected Correspondence of Fryderyk Chopin'.


Did you get to look at that book yet? I think I'll go over to Amazon.com after this and order a copy.

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pianolady wrote:
Did you get to look at that book yet? I think I'll go over to Amazon.com after this and order a copy.

Yes I did! It is everything I hoped it would be, and more, as it contains some of the important letters between other people that mention him. Also, the story about Ludwika and the letters comes from Chopin, the reluctant romantic by Jeremy Siepmann. It's a good book!

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