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Yipiee, today I have received the novel "Fingers" by William Sleator. I think, I shall find some time to read at the weekend.
Are you ready to start, too, Monica and Nathan?

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I just now called my library and put a hold on the book, so hopefully I can pick it up tomorrow.

How about you, Nathan? You ready?

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Tis sitting on my bookshelf glaring at me at moment!!! Just let me know when we're ready!!!

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I just got home from picking up the book. I'm ready to go! :D

Andreas, have you started reading? Maybe we can start posting on the first chapter this weekend?

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I haven´t still begun to read, but I shall try to read the first chapter this weekend. I´m curious and looking forward to it.

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ok, i'll restrict myself to first chapter this weekend! .... i can't wait!

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Eek, I already read it. I'll say something on Saturday or Sunday. (looks like a fun read!)

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I have read the first half of chapter one (I took me nearly one hour). Today in the evening I´ll read the second half. Seems really to be a thrilling story. :D

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O.k., I have finished chapter one.
The whole family of Humphrey is in Italy, Venice. Luc is the father of Humphrey, but not of Sam. He seems to have an African father (there is said something of "african genes" at the end of the chapter). But I think, we don´t yet know the name of Sams father.
They develop the plan, that Sam has to compose a piece, which should be given out as a compostion of Laszlo Magyar, a Hungarian composer of the nineteenth century. They would say, that the ghost of the dead composer has dictated this piece to Humphrey. They would give him a sleeping-pill and he would wake up with the new composition by Sam.
I think, the dream of Humphrey at the end of chapter one is something like an anticipation of the further plot: Humphrey and Sam are together at a water and there is an mysterious third man. They all are happy. May be the third man is the ghost of L. Magyar? This question came into my mind.

Overall this novel seems to have an interesting and thrilling plot. I´m curious to read further. You, too, Monica and Nathan? What do you think about chapter one?

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That's right, we don't know the name of Sam's real father. Probably doesn't matter. And isn't that an outrageous plan? I can't wait to see if it works!

About that composer that they mention - I'm too tired to look it up now, but is he a real person? I almost think they are describing Liszt in a way.

And yes - who is he mysterious person in Humphrey's dream?

So far, I like this book.

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Hi Monica,
so far as I could get some information Laszlo Magyar was a Hungarian explorer of Southwest-Africa.
Look here for some details, please:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A1szl%C3%B3_Magyar

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Hi Andreas,

I'm not sure that is the same person. That article mentions nothing about him being a composer or pianist. And other places on the internet that have this name actually refer to the book "Fingers". Maybe it's just a fictitious name.

Nathan - what do you think?

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I think that the fictitious Magyar is modeled on the life/music of Liszt ... although, due to his enormous ouevre, no one is surprised when new music by Liszt is discovered or released.

In any case, I became obsessed with Liszt because of this book ... I'm going to start chapter one as soon as I finish here.

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I have read chapter 2 today. :) There is said, that Magyar only wrote up to opus 26 and so Sam has written to his composition "op. 27, no. 1 by Magyar", but Liszt has written more than twenty-six works respective opus-numbers, so this aspect of the novel does not direct to the meaning of Magyar=Liszt. Until now only the apect, that the works of Magyar are described to be very virtuoso fits to Liszt, I think.
So, I´m not yet sure, what´s about this Magyar.
I find it to be mean, what Luc, Sam and Bridget do to Humphrey. But on the other side this poor guy is so naive somehow. Don´t you think so?
In chapter two the three have executed their plan and at the end Humphrey is sobbing and he seems to begin to believe in that ghost-story. Very mean, isn´t it?!

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I read chapter 2 as well.

So, yes - the plan seems to be working so far. Poor Humphrey. He really is clueless.

I think we'll learn more about the 'fictional' Magyar as the story goes on. But what Nathan said about this book turning him on to Liszt is surely interesting!

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O.k., we´ll see what the other chapters bring concerning the turning of Magyar on to Liszt. I´m curious. Today I don´t find any time to read further. Tomorrow I can go on, I think.

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Oooohhh, Andreas - I just finished chapter 3, but I won't say anything yet. I don't want to spoil anything for you. Wait to you read the very end of it! If what I think just happened, then this is really getting interesting...

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O.k., thank you, Monica,
today in the evening I´ll try to read chapter 3 after having done my sports.
But if you like you can write something to chapter 3, too, of course.

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I have finished chapter 3. Humphrey had had his concert. He played all unmusically except the piece of Sam, which is to be said the piece of Maygar, which his ghost dictated to Humphrey.
Prendelberg shows interest and at the end there are two paparazzis (not the pobst, who could also be called paparazzi for fun, isn´t it? :lol: In german papa=father), who will probably publish the story.
Two points are still quite mysterious for me: Magyar is said to have died in 1903, but wether the historic Laszlo Magyar nor Franz Liszt has died in this year. And at the end there is a mysterious old man, who says, that he has suggested the B-natural. It was Luc, who has corrected Sams composition at one place with that tone. Do you have any idea, what this means, Monica or Nathan?

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Humphrey’s concert does sound like it was pretty bad. It is strange though that he made the fake piece sound good. Almost like he really was possessed by a piano-playing ghost. Which brings me to the point – I think the old mad at the end is really Magyar. I am not sure about that, but that is what popped into my mind. And Andreas – you are right about that corrected note that Luc made in Sam’s composition – what the old man said. I did not catch that, but verryyyy interesting, indeed.

And isn’t it funny how the author puts in those funny statements about like the chair squeaking in f-sharp major, or the car horn honking in b-flat, things like that.

Also, I’m almost certain that Magyar is not a real person but is what we call in English – a fictional character. The author has given Magyar some of the same qualities as Liszt, but that is as far as it goes. (at least I think)

Ok, on to chapter 4…. (Nathan, where are you?) (maybe you’re busy writing that Ponce bio? :wink:)

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And Andreas – you are right about that corrected note that Luc made in Sam’s composition – what the old man said. I did not catch that, but verryyyy interesting, indeed.


Yes, I´m curious now, how the story goes on.

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And isn’t it funny how the author puts in those funny statements about like the chair squeaking in f-sharp major, or the car horn honking in b-flat, things like that.


Yes, I noticed these kind of motifs built in regularly, too, but in the first moment I find them to be unrealistic, because most of them were just noises, like squeaking and these things.
First I thought, that I have never heard "squeaking" something in a certain scale. But then I remembered, that some technical advices can produce real "tones", which always have overtones in opposite to noises, which have not an overtone-serie. (That´s the physical difference between a noise and a tone.)
F.ex. in school we have a copy-advice, which squeaks by producing two quite clear tones: d´´ and h´, so its a small third, a "cuckoo"-third. So, I think, its´really possible, that a chair-squeaking could produce a f-sharp-major-chord f.ex, but not a real scale, I suppose.

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That´s a possibility and seems to be a good idea from my view. Let us see, how it goes on.
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Well, I shut down my computer and evidently I have a bad hard drive because it never started up again!!! ... *sigh* I sometimes agree with my grandma who jokingly said that computers are the antichrist! hehe

Anyway, I think the Magyar is just fictional composer used for the purposes of the story. Maybe loosely based upon Liszt and/or an amalgam of several composers. Later in the book it describes Magyar as having a ridiculously high forehead with a great beak of a nose ... sounds like Liszt to me. I'm gonna try to restrict my comments to where you guys are in book ... not having internet forced me to read the whole book!! lol ... the devil made me do it, and that's the story I'm sticking to! :P

I feel sorry for Humphrey ... such a pitiful character. But mostly not his fault, just because of circumstances mostly it seems.

And I too was fascinated by the in-tune squeakings of everyday objects. I wonder what that must be like ... incredibly annoying I would think. Wait till u guys get to the next piece Sam writes ... I was rolling around on bed lol because of the sounds he was incorporating into the piece.

Anyway, glad you're enjoying the book.

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Thank you, Nathan, for your interesting lines and your anticipation of the composers figure. But please, don´t do further foreshadows, because it decreases the tension (for me).
You seem to be a phenomenon in reading books fastly! I do admire you. Even if I do read german books, I´m not a fast reader, because I always pay attention so much on details, but may be you are able to do this and to read fastly, are you?

I´m through with chapter four:
The russian expert has made a visit to the family of Humphrey. Sam was send away for several reasons and Humphrey pretended, that he is the cat of the family. This statement gives an interesting point to the story, because in the moment he said this, I have really wondered, if he begins to look through the scheme. But at the end it came out, that he just wanted to help Sam, because he thought, that the test could be annoying for him, and he stays the same naive character as before.
At the end the agent of Humphrey, Geoffrey, has phoned to Bridget and he has arranged a concert first in Milan and later in Geneve. So, the family took the train to Milan and while they reached their their compartment, there was a new mysterious matter. They have found a package with a book, which has the title "The secret life of Laszlo Magyar". With this aspect of the plot the ulterior part of it continues, after the mysterious old man at the end of chapter 3. These two hazards could make the reader believe in ulterior coherences (of course, only if the reader believes in such things). I think, the narrator does contrive this weird (creepy) part of the action very cannily. Do you agree?

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Yes - now we are really wondering if Magyar is that old man! The author is surely doing a good job of building suspense. And I like that these chapters are short, don't you?

Can't wait to see how the next concerts go. On to chapter 5.

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Yes, Monica, short chapters have a more motivating effect on me than long ones (especially, if they ar in English :lol: ), because one chapter can be quite easily done within one or two hours in the evening. I don´t know, if I shall find the time to read chapter 5 today, but tomorrow, on friday I shall find the time in every case, I think.
I like the novel and I´m motivated to read further.

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Wow, chapter 5 was a quite long one, but very captivating. At first, Humphreys family goes to Milan by train and Sam reads the book about Laszlo Magyar. At this place we get to know much about the life of our mysterious Hungarian composer. Really a very strange guy and it would be interesting to compare with aspects of Liszts life, but I think there are many differences, isn´t it?
His deadly accident (to trip in front of a tram) is also quite odd IMO, but not impossible, of course, really weird is the fact, that his head is conserved and his two hands have vanished and nobody knows, what happened with them. The accident happened in a surburb of Düsseldorf. (BTW, in former times I have lived nearby Düsseldorf.) For me it´s interesting, that the places of the plot of our novel seem to be all in Europe and Russia (there is mentioned a nun in the Ural, isn´t it?) until now. Also in "The pianoshop on the left bank" most of the plot takes part in Europe, though both authors, William Sleator and Thad Carhart, are Americans. That´s a remarkable analogy, isn´t it?
The author of the strange biography of Laszlo Magyar - which is not only a biography, but it contains also a breakdown of each piece of Magyar - claims to be a descendant of Maygar. I suppose it´s the same odd old man, who did know about Lucs correction of the b flat, because in this chapter he knows about Lucs correction of the c-sharp-major-chord, which is clear an analogy. Probably he has put the book into the compartment. He always seems to be aware, even in the hotel in Milan, when Sam has to fetch some food for the family, Sam bumps into an old man, who he does not recognize, but who has a "peculiar medicinal smell", which was "faintly familiar" to Sam. I´m not so sure, to what refers this "medicinal smell". Is it a hint to the head of the dead Magyar, which is conserved in formaldehyde or did the old man in the previous chapters also have such a "medicinal smell"? I don´t remember, I have to admit.

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I just finished the chapter 5 also.

Yes - some interesting things going on here. As to our comparing Magdar to Liszt - we know that Liszt was very much into gypsy music, so here is another similarity. I don't remember if Liszt was an illegitimate child (like Madgar) or not, but his own daughter (Cosima) either was considered illegitimate for a time because of Marie D''Agoult not being divorced yet, or maybe Cosima herself had an illiegitimate child with Wagner before she was divorced from, from, from....argh...can't remember his name now.

Anyway, that old man - Andreas, you may be on to something about saying that he is the author of that Magyar book. But in my weird way, I thought it was Magyar himself! Like the ghost Magyar. I dunno....I could be way off with this - your idea makes more sense. I guess we'll find out soon.

And you're right - that medicinal smell is something I don't remember reading about before, either. Hmmm...

But at the end - that C-sharp chord thing. What do you make of that? How would that old man know about Sam writing it, and Luc changing it? Only if he is a ghost, is what I'm thinking again. Boo! :lol:

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Hans von Bulow! (I just remembered that name :lol:)

Chapter 6 – Sam is feeling pretty disturbed over seeing that old man again, but no one else seems to care about it. So after reading up on Magyars days with the gypsies, he almost throws the book away but changes his mind.

Now the family is in Geneva. Sam is unsure of his participating in the scam but continues doing his part of writing the scores. They drug Humphrey the usual way but his behavior at the end – what he says is shocking! How could he have known about that? (I’m not putting it into words here so as not to spoil it)

You ever play 20 questions, Andreas and Nathan? I remember playing it with my brother and sister when we were going on long car trips. It was something to pass the time, but I’m not crazy about the game, really.

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I don't remember if Liszt was an illegitimate child (like Madgar) or not, but his own daughter (Cosima) either was considered illegitimate for a time because of Marie D''Agoult not being divorced yet, or maybe Cosima herself had an illiegitimate child with Wagner before she was divorced from, from, from....argh...can't remember his name now.


Liszt was the legitimate child of Adam and Maria Anna Liszt, a born Lager. Cosima first married Hans von Bülow, a famous pianist and conductor, who first was a friend of Richard Wagner. Then Cosima fall in love with Wagner and he returned her love. The marriage with Hans v. Bülow was divorced and Cosima married Wagner in 1870 in Lucerne. First they lived in Tribschen (Lake Lucerne in Switzerland), later in Bayreuth. I have visited Wagners house in Tribschen as I was on holidays in Switzerland.

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at the end - that C-sharp chord thing. What do you make of that? How would that old man know about Sam writing it, and Luc changing it? Only if he is a ghost, is what I'm thinking again. Boo! :lol:


Yikes! Don´t affraight me!Image :lol:

Of course, you are right, these can only be ulterior incidents. But a real living person as what the old man is described in our novel can´t be a ghost, only something like a medium for a ghost. The old man could be such a medium IMO.

I have read chapter 6. Well, it seems as if the ghost of Magyar has begun to take possession also of Humphrey. Still in chapter 5 his reaction of the comic scene with the two witches was strange. But now at the end he seems to know something, which Sam had read before in the biography of Magyar. The two dried hands wrapped in old rags are exactly, what the hurted stranger had left "as a token of his appreciation" to Magyar and his mother, since they had nursed him to health.
The old man does not appear again in this chapter, but nevertheless this chapter is sinister, because of Humphreys weird behaviour and all the eldritch stories of the gypsy crone, which are told in the book of Magyar.
So for me there is raised up another question: has Humphrey read in the book about Magyar without that Sam knew it and does he play theatre? (Nothing is said about this in chapter 6, but he only can have get to know about the two hands wrapped in rags by reading in the biography of Magyar.) Or is Humphrey really obsessed by the ghost of Magyar?

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Liszt was the legitimate child of Adam and Maria Anna Liszt, a born Lager. Cosima first married Hans von Bülow, a famous pianist and conductor, who first was a friend of Richard Wagner. Then Cosima fall in love with Wagner and he returned her love. The marriage with Hans v. Bülow was divorced and Cosima married Wagner in 1870 in Lucerne. First they lived in Tribschen (Lake Lucerne in Switzerland), later in Bayreuth. I have visited Wagners house in Tribschen as I was on holidays in Switzerland.

But if I remember correctly, didn’t Cosima conceive a child with Wagner when she was still married to Bulow?

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Of course, you are right, these can only be ulterior incidents. But a real living person as what the old man is described in our novel can´t be a ghost, only something like a medium for a ghost. The old man could be such a medium IMO.

I suppose you are right – but I still have this funny feeling that the old man is really Magyar. Remember something in that biography that said the he did not age? That he still looked 25 years old when he was really 50, or something like that?

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The two dried hands wrapped in old rags are exactly, what the hurted stranger had left "as a token of his appreciation" to Magyar and his mother, since they had nursed him to health.

I’m a little confused – I did not read that the stranger in the biography left the two hands wrapped in the rags. I thought we did not know what was actually inside the rags. Maybe I missed that?

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I don’t think Humphrey read the book yet, and I do think this ghost business is for real. Maybe chapter 7 will shed some more light.

Speaking of that – I may not be able to read chapter 7 and comment about it until tomorrow night. I have 25 family members coming over today for dinner. It's Father's Day in the US today so I'm hosting the party.

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But if I remember correctly, didn’t Cosima conceive a child with Wagner when she was still married to Bulow?


Yes, that´s right. For a while she lived a "double relationship" (german: Doppelbeziehung) and she betrayed Bülow with Wagner. In 1865 she has give birth to Isolde. At this time she was still married with Hans von Bülow. 1867 she leaved v. Bülow and went with Wagner to Tribschen at the Lake Lucerne. In 1870 her marriage with v. Bülow was divorced and she married in the same year Richard Wagner in Lucerne. She meat Wagner 1862 in Wiesbaden-Biebrich (it´s nearby where I live) in the time he worked on his "Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg". In 1863 she and Wagner confessed her love. In summer 1864 she made a journey with her daughters into the Pallet´sches Landhaus am Starnberger See. In the same year they went to Munich (the whole family v. Bülow and Wagner), where Cosima became something like a "secretary" of Wagner and she won also the trust of Ludwig II. of Bayern, which was Wagners patron. Cosima became very old. She died in 1930 and became over 90 years old. (Wagner still died in 1883.) She still meat Adolf Hitler, who was a regular guest in the Villa Wahnfried. Winifred Wagner explained, that Hitler saw in the Wagners his "true family" and Cosima supported him, too.

I shall look, if the two hands where still mentioned in the gipsy-tale of the stranger. I´m not sure at this moment, too.
At wednesday we have our school-concert and before I have many things to do. May be I´ll find some time tomorrow in the evening for chapter 7. After wednesday I´ll have more time to read again.
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On page 89 you can read, that "the stranger had left the rag-wrapped package as a token of his appreciation. Apparently Magyar always kept it with him. But the biographer, despite a long and obsessive search, could find no indication anywhere of what it was the rags contained."
So, in chapter 6 in the tale of the crone we don´t yet know, that there are two hands in the rags. So, indeed it´s very strange, that at the end of chapter 6 he knows about the two hands, since he even can´t have that information, if he would have read the biography of Magyar. But in chapter 7 Sam convinces as with several reasons, that Humphrey couldn´t have read the book.

Today in the morning I had a free lesson and I have read chapter 7:
Sams warnings to the family, that strange things are going on with Humphrey, are not successful. Sam wants to stop the whole cheating, but Bridget doesn´t want to stop it. So, she orders to continue. Humphreys career is getting a recovery and he arranges for a new concert in Vienne and at the end there is the old man again. And he tells us that "he has the hands". I suppose with "he" the old man means Humphrey. So, indeed it could be, that the old man is Magyar himself or a medium of the ghost of Magyar. BTW, the author of the biography of Magyar is described as a descendant of Magyar. It could also be the old man, isn´t it. So, at this point of the plot we have three possibilities of who the old man could be:
1. Maygar himself (like you said), 2. a medium of the ghost of Magyar and he could be also 3. the author of Magyars biography. If 3. is right, it´s in every case in combination either of 3. + 1. or 3. + 2., am I right? Or it´s only the first or the second possibility without 3.
What do you think? It´s really captivating at this point of the plot IMO, isn´t it?

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I still think the old man is Magyar. But your idea of him being the author of the biography is good too. I have not read chapter 8 yet, but I hope to do so later today. Yes – this plot is captivating!!

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Andreas - I wish you well at your school concert tomorrow! :)

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Thank you, Monica, that´s very nice of you! Today at 19 o´clock it starts. Tomorrow I shall continue to read in our book (chapter 8 ) .

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Ok, Andreas - I hope you survived your concert. Please tell me how it went.


Just finished reading chapter 8.

The family is in Vienna now preparing for more concerts. Humphrey is acting stranger all the time and Sam doesn't like it. But still Sam writes out more piano pieces for Humphrey, except now Humphrey argues about a certain note in one of the compositions. Sam wants to change it, but Humphrey won't allow it. Sam tells Luc that he better make Humphrey change the note or else....

So not much else happens in this chapter until the very end - Sam finds a bundle wrapped in rags lying on his bed. Must be the severed hands, right? I hope we find out soon!!!

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Hi Monica,
thank you for your kind sympathies for my school-concert. Yipiee, I have survived it! :o :lol:
Now seriously, it was real good concert, most of the pieces went very well (apart from quite little slips).
I have conducted the film-music of "The Lord of the Rings" by Howard shore, from the second part ("The two towers") and the third ("The Return of the King"). I like this symphonic music very much. Our school-orchestra consists of 26 players and we have all important instruments exept tuba and oboe at this moment. And we have only one viola, the other voices for viola I had to arrange for a third violin, because we only have one viola-player, but much more violinists.
It was a great pleasure to study and to conduct this music. Though to study it sometimes was also quite hard work. But if the end-result is a great success, it was to be worth the work. The pupils like to play this music and it´s quite popular. At the end we had a great applause.
With my little wind-ensemble (2 trumpets, 2 clarinets, 1 trombone, 1 bassoon) I have performed three arrangements: Mazeltov (a folk song), a valse by Poulenc, which is original for piano and the "dance of sabre" (Säbeltanz) by Aram Chatchaturjan.
And I have accompanied a little musical for children on the piano, which my colleague has studied with her lower grade choir. This was also a great fun.

After our concert I have partied with my pupils until mid-night. At the morning I had to stand up at 6 o´clock. But who needs to sleep, if he is happy with some really good and nice pupils. :wink:

In our next Christmas-concert we will study an arrangement of Schuberts symphony nr. 8 (b-minor, The Unfinished, first and second movement). We have made it quite to a tradition, that in summer we play some film-music and in winter a classical orchestra-work.

Thank you for the information about chapter 8. I´m sorry, but I will be able to continue to read only tomorrow, because this evening I still have something to prepare for my german lesson tomorrow. But I´m very curious to read further and can´t wait for it.

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I'm glad your concert was a success, Andreas!

Regarding the lack of a tuba in your group – my family and I every year play Christmas songs together with our instruments. My brother used to play the tuba part on his bass trombone, but he is no longer living so now my niece plays the tuba part on an electric keyboard. It sounds good because it helps to have that low bass to ground the music.

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I know that piece, Sabre Dance. I don’t know if you remember this, but we once had a member who submitted a recording of it. His name was Setrak and he was a real jerk. He one time reprimanded me because I told him his music sounded like it was too good to be true. Turns out that it was – he faked it and all the other pieces he tried to pull off as his own. Robert and Chris got rid of him right away.


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At the morning I had to stand up at 6 o´clock


That’s a funny way of saying that, but it’s pretty much exactly what one has to do after they have awakened.


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In our next Christmas-concert we will study an arrangement of Schuberts symphony nr. 8 (b-minor, The Unfinished, first and second movement).


A couple years ago I read a novel that was about a young woman who was not a very good pianist but suddenly became a great pianist when the ghost of Schubert took over her body. In the end, the ghost showed the woman where he had hidden his ‘Unfinished Symphony’.



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Thank you for the information about chapter 8. I´m sorry, but I will be able to continue to read only tomorrow


No rush, Andreas – we have all the time in the world.

Hopefully!!

Now I just thought of John again and feel really sad. He was a nice friend, but you are too. You talk with me, help me, answer my questions, give me advice, joke with me, send me things….I really appreciate you and I’m glad you have come into my life – even if it is only through our computers, which is fine because I wouldn’t have met you or John otherwise. Friends mean a lot to me, because I don’t make friends that easily. Sorry – I’m getting mushy – can’t stop thinking about John. But I’m sure glad to have our little reading project to help occupy my mind. I don’t practice well when I’m sad - can’t see the music with tears in my eyes. Ohhhhh sorry, again – more mush. I’ll try to be in a better mood tomorrow.

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Thanks, Monica! :)

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I do also replace the tuba and the horn with a stage-piano. Of course, this sounds not as well as real instruments do, but it´s better than to have not these instruments.

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No, I don´t remember, but I have experienced, that there are jerks on the world not a long time ago, as you know (I´m talking of the nasty comments on youtube I have received recently.)


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That’s a funny way of saying that, but it’s pretty much exactly what one has to do after they have awakened.


Sorry for my word-by-word-translation, MOnica. I think, this was a too similar translation to the german expression "aufstehen" (=stand up). In german you say: Ich stehe um 6 Uhr morgens auf. (=I do stand up at 6 o´clock in the morning, if you translate it word by word.) The right way to express it in English is: I do get up at 6 o´clock in the morning, isn´t it?

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Very interesting, may be that could be our next book club reading? What is the title of this book?


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Now I just thought of John again and feel really sad. He was a nice friend, but you are too. You talk with me, help me, answer my questions, give me advice, joke with me, send me things….I really appreciate you and I’m glad you have come into my life – even if it is only through our computers, which is fine because I wouldn’t have met you or John otherwise. Friends mean a lot to me, because I don’t make friends that easily. Sorry – I’m getting mushy – can’t stop thinking about John. But I’m sure glad to have our little reading project to help occupy my mind. I don’t practice well when I’m sad - can’t see the music with tears in my eyes. Ohhhhh sorry, again – more mush. I’ll try to be in a better mood tomorrow.


I have answered you in a privat e-mail to this.

And I have read chapter 8. Yes, it´s interesting, that Sam does find some wrapped hands. Humphreys behaviour becomes stranger and stranger, isn´t it? But all chapter 8 doesn´t bring too much new information. So, I´m curious on chapter 9 now, which I´ll read tomorrow, I think.

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I read chapter 9 last night, but I've forgotten what I read and so I have to read it again. I'll comment on it tomorrow.

I am still shocked at what you said about Bohumir Stehlik and his comments on Youtube! I don't think I will ever again speak with him or put up his recordings on PS. One of the other admins will have to do it.

Also - I get up at 6:00 in the morning, but more often 5:30 in the summertime. Something about that the sun shines in my window earlier and so I just wake up. It doesn't matter what time I go to sleep, I still wake up at the same time.

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Ok, wow - a lot happened in chapter 9. Andreas, I don't want to spoil it if you haven't read it yet. I'll just say that Sam is in big trouble, but so is Humphrey.

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Thank you, that you stick by me, though I have to add, that Bohumir Stehlik wrote "only" one longer insulting and only negative critique to my 2nd version of Scherzo no. 3, not several (just because you wrote the plural "comments"). In this one nasty comment he didn´t write one positive word, but only how unmusical and how bad it is, how blocked I am and how many technical problems I have, the other 10 nasty comments came from another user named homerboy488 (http://www.youtube.com/user/homerboy488). And these contained a lot of cuss words like "you are an asshole" or "a jerk" and much more of this "nice stuff". Is this homerboy eventually a friend of Bohumir Stehlik? I don´t know and I absolutely don´t know, who this homerboy488 is, I never have had anything to do with him, and I don´t know his real name. For me this whole story is as mysterious as our novel is at this moment.
I really also don´t know, what reason Bohumir Stehlik could have to attac me like this. Wether I know him nor have I wrote one word to one of his recordings. I found it to be very coward of Bohumir Stehlik to write such a negative comment on youtube, it would have been much braver, if he would have written it on PS in my thread. But I suppose, he knows, how obnoxious he would make himself with such a comment here. However, my Scherzo isn´t so bad, that it doesn´t deserve any positive word. (And even if it would be, such a comment would be also very unpolite and unadequate, because we all here play just for pleasure and for free and we invest a lot of time [and money for the recording-equipment] for preparing our recordings. So, if I absolutely don´t like the interpretation of someone, and in my case it could be only mainly the interpretation, what could have disturbed him, because I care very much for the text of the score, one should keep his mouth, nobody is forced to listen to someone, whos interpretation he absolutely doesn´t like) You know, I´m a friend of critical advices and factual critics, which are based on the score. But nasty comments I just delete on youtube and I do block the user, who writes them (one has this option on youtube). I find it to be too silly to start a "battle of cuss words" there or anywhere else.
I personally consider Bohumir Stehlik as someone, who isn´t a member of this site, because a member of this nice site shouldn´t behave so nastily. I have nothing more to say to him.

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Wow, that´s really very early. I usually do sleep until 8 or 9 in the morning at the weekend, if noone wakes me up.

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I have read chapter 9. This was very captivating. Sam reveals the secret to Humphrey in a mood of concern and anger. Humphrey runs out of the room, because he feels deeply hurted and destroyed, of course. Bridget is very angry about Sam and wants to punish him severly. She closes up the door of the hotel room from outside, so that Sam is imprisoned in it. This for Sam still is a big punishment, because he wants to help his half-brother, but he can´t. He is in a big struggle of feelings. He discovers to love Humphrey and he is desperated enormously, because he can´t help him.
I think, it´s important somehow, that the hands in the bundle are no real hands, but seem to be cut off from an old doll. But nevertheless the situation is strange, because there seems to be someone else apart from the family, who knows about the details of Magyars life.
The plot still remains mysterious at this point. I don´t know the solution, that´s what makes it so captivating, isn´t it?

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Yes, those fake hands was a surprise! I have no idea who could have put them there. Except maybe that old man, wherever he is. I can't wait to see what happens in chapter 10, so I'm going to read it right now before I go off on my run.

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Tomorrow I will have some conferences at school with longer times to wait between. (We are preparing the school reports, because the year ends on 10.7.09 here. Then the summer-holidays will begin. I´ll try to read further while I´m waiting for the next conference. So, it will not be bored. :wink:

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Chapter 10 was only three pages long, so I also read chapter 11.

Andreas - stop reading this right now if you don't want me to spoil the plot for you.






Chapter 10 - So Sam is locked in the room, but gets someone from the hotel to come up and unlock the door. Big surprise when it turns out to the old man!

Chapter 11 - Well, I'll be! - the old man is not Magyar's ghost like I thought. And Sam sort of thought that as well. The man is actually Magyar's son! And he has taken Humphrey to his home. So now Sam is at the man's home and sees for himself that Humphrey is alive, but because he was drugged, he has been sleeping. One thing puzzles me and that is why Sam keeps smelling that medicinal smell on the old man. We don't have much more to read, so we will probably keep getting more answers on the next chapters.

Can't wait to see what Humphrey is going to say about Sam's revelation, but I won't post anything further until you've read chapters 10 and 11.

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Hi Monica,
today I had a long day of conferences at school, just on my birthday. But the advantage was, because of the long periods I had to wait between the conferences of the different classes I teach, I found many time to read, so I have read chapter 10 and 11, too.
Yes, the old man is a son of Magyar and he is the author of the book. (You remember, I have thought of this possibility, that he could be the author and a descendant of Magyar. 8)
Indeed, the medicinal smell is strange and it Sam combines correctly, if he says, that the old man must have been in Venice and in the compartment of the train. The scene in the dark room on the way to Humphrey was very creepy, isn´t it. Sam expected at every second to get a knife into his stomach or somewhere else. So, in my opinion the author, William Sleator, has a great talent, to cause tenseness. It´s so captivating to read this novel, though I have to admit, that it takes me always much time to look for new vocabularies. Sometimes I´m sitting more than an hour with the LEO-online-dicitionary looking for new words. While reading, I usually do underline all vocabels, which are new for me. If I find the time, I look for all of them, if I have not so much time, I look only for the most important, which I need to understand the essential of the plot. Today I had no more time for the vocabels, but I think, I have understood all the essentials of the plot nevertheless.
I found the Humphreys question strange, as he awakes, if Sam would serve towels with his showers. I couldn´t translate this question in a manner, I would understand. To serve means like to give something or similar. A waiter f. ex. serves a Coke. So, how can Sam serve a towel "with" his showers (german: "er serviert ein Handtuch mit seiner Dusche" does really not make sense tome)? Or is this a saying or an idiomatic expression?

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I hope you had a nice day today, Andreas.


And now back to the book - that last thing that Humphrey said to Sam. I think Humphrey was making a little joke because although it doesn't say in the words, Sam was very emotional and perhaps tears were coming out of his eyes - like a shower. I could be wrong, but that's what I think.

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Thank you so much for your nice happy-birthday-wishes!

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Yes, that´s a good idea, I agree. So, Humphreys sentence gets sense. The other possibility would be, that the author lets Humphrey talk some nonsense, because he still is influenced by the pill, Bridget has given to him.

I have read chapter 12, but I don´t want to spoil you the reading. So, I do it like you did last time and I write my comment all below. So, read it first, please, if you still have read chapter 12.

















In his relief and joy, that Sam has regained his brother Humphrey, he tells that he loves him and he tells the whole secret about the plan of doping Humphrey and writing the music himself and bringing it out as Magyars compositions to save Humphreys career. So, the old man knows it from here on. The old man shows Sam a large cylindrical glass jar, which stands on an old piano, in which are two real hands in formaldehyde. It´s a creepy moment, when Sam describes the hands and says, that they look like the hands of Humphrey. These hands were supposed to be lost like it was said in the book about Magyar the old man has written. Now the old man claims, that he just had invented, that they were lost. The head of Magyar is not in the possession of the old man, but a sister of him has it.
At last the old man shows Sam an ancient leather satchel, which contains old music of Magyar and at the end there comes the clou: the compositions of Magyar, which Sam found inside are absolutely the same as Sam has written and even the wrong notes, Luc had dictated to Sam, are in there.
Now it becomes really really creepy, because at this point there is no more other possibility than the ghost of Magyar has taken possession of Sam from the afterlife. Do you agree?

I have had an idea today:
if we decide in the next time, what we´ll read as next book, I could order it soon and we wouldn´t have such a long time to wait, until I get it (if it´s again a novel, which is only selled overseas).
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Ok, I finished chapter 12 just now.

Wow - creepy is right!!!! I didn't expect that to happen. So there must some kind of ghostly presence somewhere, and in both boys too since Sam wrote out the same music as what was on those old papers, and Humphrey has the same shape hands as Magyar. And also Humphrey plays that music much better than he does the other repertoire.

Chapter 13 is another very short chapter. I'm going to read it as soon as I'm done here on the computer.

As to what book we could read next - I am not sure, but I will think about it. I'd still like to stay with something related to piano and also not a very long book. Maybe Nathan will be back by then. I think he is currently WC (without computer).

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