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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:15 pm 
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Just received a cute quote:


Karl Barth's surmise: That while the angels may play only Bach in praising God, among themselves they play Mozart.


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or Led Zeppelin....(sorry, couldn't resist )

That's cute, Raymond. :)

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I have a lovely framed caligraphied parchment that claims the text to be "from a German Opera House" that says:

Bach gave us God's words
Mozart gave us God's laughter
Beethoven gave us God's fire
God gave us music that we could pray without words


Does anybody know if there is any truth to the claim of origin?

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That's a nice one too. But all links for that quote point to the same German opera house, wherever that is....?

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Having recently read about the pianist Ruth Laredo, Who was a good friend of my friend the late Leon Kirchner, I could not resist coming up with the following:

RUTH LAREDO

The lovely pianist Ruth,
Whose playing revealed the truth,
Of composers both great
And composers both small,
She really did justice to all!


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A GOTHIC GALA

1--What Gothic people were very active?
2- What Gothic people had magic powers?
3--What Gothic people suffered from vertigo?
4--What Gothic people were effervescent?
5--What Gothic people were very macho?
6--What Gothic people were constantly urinating?
7--What Gothic people were very feminine?
6--What Gothic people were rich and aristocratic?
9--What Gothic people never hit their target?
10-What Gothic people were very cowardly?
11-What Gothic people were quite gruesome?
12-What Gothic people were often in a fog?
13--What Gothic people were always striking people?
14--What Gothic people were very gaudy?
15--What Gothic people were named after the nickname of a British Queen?
16--What Gothic people had problems with sand?
17--What Gothic people were absent?
18-What Gothic people were always giving examinations?


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Raymond, I'm stumped. Can you please give the answer to one of these so I know what kind of answer you're looking for?

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1--What Gothic people were very active?

ANSWER--The Busy Goths.


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Hmmm....I still don't get this one, but I'll say the answer to no. 3 is the Dizzy Goths????

p.s. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, Raymond! :)

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Oh well, in that case a similar approach should take care of quite a few others:

2 (magic powers) wizzy goths
4 (effervescent) fizzy goths
6 (urinating) pissy goths
10 (cowardly) sissy goths
12 (in fog) misty goths
13 (striking people) fisty goths
15 (queen's nickname) lizzy goths
17 (absent) missing goths
18 (examining) quizzy goths


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:lol: :lol:

Ok, here are a couple more....

no. 7 - Lady Goths

no. 9 - Missy Goths (could also be no. 7)

no. 11 - Icky Goths

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Very good,rainer!
Well, here is the whole story:


A GOTHIC GALA

1--What Gothic people were very active?
2- What Gothic people had magic powers?
3--What Gothic people suffered from vertigo?
4--What Gothic people were effervescent?
5--What Gothic people were very macho?
6--What Gothic people were constantly urinating?
7--What Gothic people were very feminine?
6--What Gothic people were rich and aristocratic?
9--What Gothic people never hit their target?
10-What Gothic people were very cowardly?
11-What Gothic people were quite gruesome?
12-What Gothic people were often in a fog?
13-What Gothic people were always striking people?
14-What Gothic people were very gaudy?
15-Whaat Gothic people suffered from epilepsy?
16--What Gothic people were named after the nickname of a British Queen?
17-What Gothic people wore boxing gloves ?
18--What Gothic people had problems with sand?
19--What Gothic people were absent?
20--What Gothic people were always giving examinations?


ANSWERS

1--The Busy Goths.
2--The Wizzy Goths.
3--The Dizzy Goths.
4--The Fizzy Goths.
5--The His-y Goths.
6--The Pissy Goths.
7--The Missy Goths.
8--The Ritzy Goths.
9--The Miss-y-Goths.
10-The Sissy Goths.
11-The Grizzly Goths.
12-The Misty Goths.
13_The Hit sy Goths
14-The Glitzy Goths.
15-The Fitsy Goths
16-The Lizzy Goths (Queen Elizabeth).
17-The Fisty Goths
18-The Gritsy Goths.
19-The Missing Goths.
20- The Quiz-y Goths.

FROM ARNOLD VANCE

1--Who was the most enlightened Goth
2--Where did Supergoth live?
3--What do Goths fly on?
4--What is a young Goth called?
5--Who gathers Goths together?
6--What's a Gothic curse?
7--What did God say to the Goths?
8-What did Bach compose for the Goths?

ANSWERS

1--Gothama
2--Gotham
3--Gothamer wings
4--A Gothling
5--A Gotherd
6--Goth-dammit!
7--Goth forth and multiply
8--The Gothberg Variations [That's my favorite! ]


MY RE PLY TO ARNOLD

1--What does a wealthy Goth say?
2--What camphor material do Goths put in their closets?
3--Where do Goths go when they are sick?
4--With what do Goths hit balls on the ground in a famous game?
5--What do they call a pleasant occasion when they get together?
6--What opera did Wagner dedicate to the Goths?
7--Why should you believe all this?


ANSWERS

1--I goth lots of money!
2--Goth balls.
3--The Gothpital.
4--Goth clubs.
5--A good Gothering.
6--The Gotherdammerung.
7--Because it's the Gothpel truth!










A GOTHIC GALA

1--What Gothic people were very active?
2- What Gothic people had magic powers?
3--What Gothic people suffered from vertigo?
4--What Gothic people were effervescent?
5--What Gothic people were very macho?
6--What Gothic people were constantly urinating?
7--What Gothic people were very feminine?
6--What Gothic people were rich and aristocratic?
9--What Gothic people never hit their target?
10-What Gothic people were very cowardly?
11-What Gothic people were quite gruesome?
12-What Gothic people were often in a fog?
13-What Gothic people were always striking people?
14-What Gothic people were very gaudy?
15-Whaat Gothic people suffered from epilepsy?
16--What Gothic people were named after the nickname of a British Queen?
17-What Gothic people wore boxing gloves ?
18--What Gothic people had problems with sand?
19--What Gothic people were absent?
20--What Gothic people were always giving examinations?


ANSWERS

1--The Busy Goths.
2--The Wizzy Goths.
3--The Dizzy Goths.
4--The Fizzy Goths.
5--The His-y Goths.
6--The Pissy Goths.
7--The Missy Goths.
8--The Ritzy Goths.
9--The Miss-y-Goths.
10-The Sissy Goths.
11-The Grizzly Goths.
12-The Misty Goths.
13_The Hit sy Goths
14-The Glitzy Goths.
15-The Fitsy Goths
16-The Lizzy Goths (Queen Elizabeth).
17-The Fisty Goths
18-The Gritsy Goths.
19-The Missing Goths.
20- The Quiz-y Goths.

FROM ARNOLD VANCE

1--Who was the most enlightened Goth
2--Where did Supergoth live?
3--What do Goths fly on?
4--What is a young Goth called?
5--Who gathers Goths together?
6--What's a Gothic curse?
7--What did God say to the Goths?
8-What did Bach compose for the Goths?

ANSWERS

1--Gothama
2--Gotham
3--Gothamer wings
4--A Gothling
5--A Gotherd
6--Goth-dammit!
7--Goth forth and multiply
8--The Gothberg Variations [That's my favorite! ]


MY RE PLY TO ARNOLD

1--What does a wealthy Goth say?
2--What camphor material do Goths put in their closets?
3--Where do Goths go when they are sick?
4--With what do Goths hit balls on the ground in a famous game?
5--What do they call a pleasant occasion when they get together?
6--What opera did Wagner dedicate to the Goths?
7--Why should you believe all this?


ANSWERS

1--I goth lots of money!
2--Goth balls.
3--The Gothpital.
4--Goth clubs.
5--A good Gothering.
6--The Gotherdammerung.
7--Because it's the Gothpel truth!


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again, I get no credit....? I'm done.

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Oh of course Monica; I forgot to credit you with guessing Dizzy Goths. Sorry! But I am still puzzled why you failed to understand Busy Goths. Why?


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I just thought you wanted a 'real' kind of Gothic people, like one of the long-ago Goth tribes.

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More Goths and also Huns'


From Malgosia Askanas

1-Where do Goths get their coffee from?  
2-What field of endeavor is dedicated to Gothic food preparation?  
3-What Spanish city is particularly hospitable to Goths?  
4-What European state is particularly hospitable to Goths?   

Answers
1-  Gothta Rica.
2-   Gothtronomy.
3- Tharagotha.
4=  Gothnia.


From Bruce Horowitz

Here are a few more for Goths, some for Huns, and one for both.

1. What does a Goth say when frustrated?
2. Where does a Goth go for sex?
3. Where was the center of the Goth mathematical world 100 years ago?
4. What does a Hun call his wife?
5. How many cents in a dollar?
6. What is the fear of Huns called?
7. What military vehicles do Huns drive?
8. What were the methods that Huns and Goths used to obtain food?
9-What make of car do Huns use for a herse?

Answers

1. Goth-darn it!
2. To a Gothel
3. Gothingen
4. Huney
5. One Hundred
6. Hundread
7. Hunvees
8. Hunters and Gotherers
9-A Hundie


TO WHICH I MIGHT ADD:

1--Why did the Huns eat so much?
2--What was their favorite food?
3--What form of execution did they particularly dread?
4--What country particularly welcomed them?
5--What opera was written for them, and by whom?
6--Who wrote fairy tales for them?
7--Why did the huns never cheat?

ANSWERS

1-- Because they were Hun-gry.
2--Hunburgers.
3--Being hung.
4--Hun-gary.
5--Hunsel and Gretel by Hunperdick
6--Huns Christian Hunderson
7--Because they believed that Hunesty is the best policy.


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Hi Rsmullyan,

Thanks for sharing this.

It made me laugh out loud! :lol:

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A SHAKESPEREAN MONICA

To be, or not to be,
In love with Lady Monica,
That is the question!
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer,
The slings and arrows of unfulfilled love,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles
And by opposing end them'
To die--to sleep,
To dream of Lady Monica!
"Tis a consummation devoutly to be wished.
But then to wake, and be with her no more!
Ay, there's the rub!

Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow.
Grows Monica more lovely from day to day!
To the last syllable of recorded time,
The way to the lady's heart.
Out, out, oh Chopin!
Whose music Monica so dearly loves!
Life's but a musical tribute,
That has its hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. 'Tis a tale
Told by a piano lady
Full of sound and beauty,
Signifying,all that is wonderful!


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Oh Hamlet, I mean Macbeth, I mean Raymond... I like this very much!! Thank you :)

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Ooh... Love Is In The Air :P

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Ooh... Love Is In The Air :P


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Another musical riddle: What French composer is like liturgical music in A Major ?


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I know...it's Debussy Ravel Poulenc Faure. :)

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What French composer is like liturgical music in A Major ?

Monica, I get the Faure, but not the other three. The answer I had in mind was Mass-in-A


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This is interesting. I was perusing the Guiness Book of World Records site, typed in "piano," and found this record:

Most Piano Keys Hit in One Minute

The number of keys in 669 set by Sai Manapragada in November of last year (2011).

Can you imagine? It makes you wonder, if he played straight sixteenth notes at 120bpm that would be 480 notes (= 120 x 4). So he must have played at a faster tempo :lol: Did he play just one note 650+ times, or did he play scales? And maybe he used a metronome?!?

Here is a link:

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/7000/most-piano-key-hits-in-one-minute

I don't think I would ever care to beat this record. I think you might hurt your hands if you play too fast. Of course, this is an extreme example of playing piano fast :wink:

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I (and you) can play 10-12 keys at one instant using fingers only. Play them repetitively in diatonic fashion and it adds up very quickly. Throw in some octave or double-handed glissandi and one could top a thousand easily I would think. :mrgreen:

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Can you imagine? It makes you wonder, if he played straight sixteenth notes at 120bpm that would be 480 notes (= 120 x 4). So he must have played at a faster tempo :lol:
Your arithmetic is flawless, 8) but I think your sense of awe is misguided. Come on, 8 notes per second is really not very fast at all.
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Did he play just one note 650+ times, or did he play scales?
We don't know, the link is scant on details. I find playing the same note repeatedly, fast, quite difficult. There are techniques for this, of course, which involve changing the fingers; there are Czerny studies for this. I guess you will eventually hit a certain speed at which the action on the piano doesn't cope with cycling that quickly, so if you want to set a speed record it will have to involve different notes.
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I don't think I would ever care to beat this record. I think you might hurt your hands if you play too fast. Of course, this is an extreme example of playing piano fast :wink:
I don't think it's extreme at all. As stated ("number of keys hit"), it clearly admits the possibility of hitting two keys simultaneously, such as when playing two-handed scales. If you want to hit 670 keys in a minute, then each hand only has to hit 335. That's less than 6 a second, or leisurely triplets at 120bpm.

If you're allowed to create your own favourable circumstances, and play partial scales which need only a fixed hand position, such as C D E F G F E D repeated continuously, I'm sure you could easily play sixteenths at 160bpm. That's 672 keys a minute with one hand. It might take a little training to keep this up for a whole minute, but that's the record already beaten. But you have two hands and can therefore easily achieve 1344 hits a minute.


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That's interesting, Riley. Thanks for the info. But yes, it seems like a sort of wishy-washy world record. They should have shown video or something like that.

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@ Rainer, Eddy and Monica

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If you're allowed to create your own favourable circumstances, and play partial scales which need only a fixed hand position, such as C D E F G F E D repeated continuously, I'm sure you could easily play sixteenths at 160bpm. That's 672 keys a minute with one hand. It might take a little training to keep this up for a whole minute, but that's the record already beaten. But you have two hands and can therefore easily achieve 1344 hits a minute.


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I (and you) can play 10-12 keys at one instant using fingers only. Play them repetitively in diatonic fashion and it adds up very quickly. Throw in some octave or double-handed glissandi and one could top a thousand easily I would think.


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That's interesting, Riley. Thanks for the info. But yes, it seems like a sort of wishy-washy world record. They should have shown video or something like that.


I agree. A video would be helpful in this case. Or if not a video then at least an audio recording ( but we wouldn't want them to submit it to the audition room :lol:)

Rainer, you're right- my original sense of awe was indeed misguided.. :oops: I did a little experiment with a site that has a tap counter:

http://www.all8.com/tools/bpm.htm

(the "timing taps" function is what counts the letters)

Eddy, you are exactly right--I timed a minute and I found I could easily "play" 1000+ keys. And I don't mean piano keys, I mean the typing keyboard on my laptop :wink: But how much different is it? Aside from the fact that a computer keyboard doesn't have the action of a grand piano, :lol: that typing letters does not produce harmonic tones, I don't think its much different at all. So bottom line, 669 is not a very impressive record.

Now we will all have to draw straws -- who among us is going to apply to the guiness book of world records and take the crown? 8)

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Now we will all have to draw straws -- who among us is going to apply to the guiness book of world records and take the crown?
I just drew, and mine was long. :mrgreen:

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How many straws are there? Mine is just a little longer than Eddy's... :lol:

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How many straws are there? Mine is just a little longer than Eddy's...


There were 4 straws. Apparently yours was the longest. I drew one that was in between the length of your straw and Eddy's straw, leaving a straw half the size of Eddy's.

That leaves Rainer with the last (and shortest) straw. :wink:

So Rainer, are you up for it :?:

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How many straws are there? Mine is just a little longer than Eddy's...
There were 4 straws. Apparently yours was the longest. I drew one that was in between the length of your straw and Eddy's straw, leaving a straw half the size of Eddy's.

That leaves Rainer with the last (and shortest) straw. :wink:
So Rainer, are you up for it :?:
You can not be serious. There seems to have been some cheating going on here. How can we trust your assertion that the 4th straw is shorter than the others, when it hasn't even been drawn yet? And if we could, then now that you've revealed the fact that the undrawn straw is the shortest, no-one with any sense is going to draw it. It seems to me, therefore, that the shortest straw actually drawn is Eddy's!


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You can not be serious. There seems to have been some cheating going on here. How can we trust your assertion that the 4th straw is shorter than the others, when it hasn't even been drawn yet? And if we could, then now that you've revealed the fact that the undrawn straw is the shortest, no-one with any sense is going to draw it. It seems to me, therefore, that the shortest straw actually drawn is Eddy's!


:x :x ARGGH, Rainer! I was hoping you would be jumping for opportunity to set this record. Unless Eddy desires to,

I heretofore declare the goal to set the record for most piano keys hit in a minute, null.

ps. If you have a piano handy, play this riff for sport:

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Shave and a haircut. Two bits! :lol:

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...So that's what it's called :lol: :lol:

by coincidence, I actually got a haircut today. :)

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Shave and a haircut. Two bits!


...So that's what it's called :lol: :lol:

by coincidence, I actually got a haircut today. :)



:lol: :lol:

And you sang that little phrase while you were sitting in the chair, right?.... :lol:

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Once upon a time there was a man so charming that all the ladies fell in love with him. His wife was extremely jealous. Her

jealousy once reached such a pitch that she prayed to God that he lose all his charm. Her prayer was answered. As a result,

none of the ladies ever loved him again--including his wife.


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Awwww....that poor guy.

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Here is a little puzzle for you to enjoy solving.

About a year ago I bought some music which came from a Catalan publisher called "La ma de Guido".
It struck me that "Guido's mother" was a pretty odd name for a publisher, but then I thought no more about it.
Some time later I became aware of my mistake, but that made matters worse; I was even less able to make the connection because, ill-educated buffoon that I am, I lacked a key piece of knowledge.
By chance I stumbled upon it yesterday, and now it all makes sense.

(a) Who is Guido?
(b) How is his mother relevant?
(c) What was my mistake?
(d) What piece of knowledge did I lack?
(e) How does it all make sense?


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Oh good - we haven't had a puzzle in awhile. Wish we had more games too! We used to have fun with that, but then everybody petered out. So anyway....


(a) Who is Guido?

--Guido of Arezzo, a medieval music theorist

(b) How is his mother relevant?

--She’s not, except for the fact that she gave birth to Guido. :lol:

(c) What was my mistake?
--Not looking on the Internet :lol:

(d) What piece of knowledge did I lack?
--That Wiki has a whole article about the Guidonian hand

(e) How does it all make sense?
--Beats me, except that the Guidonian hand was a way to teach music.

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Very good, Monica, top marks!

More specifically:

(c) My mistake was to assume, by analogy with Spanish "madre", that Catalan "mà" meant "mother".
In due course I smelled a rat when I saw that little logo on the front cover which looked like a dirty glove.
That made me doubt my assumption and had me going to the dictionary to look up "mà", and sure enough it means "hand".

(d) I had indeed never heard of the Guido's Hand, a gap in my musical education. I offer the fact that I don't sing as a feeble excuse.

(e) Because of the significance of Guido's Hand to the world of music, and indeed because of Arezzo's contribution to the development of music notation, it makes sense for the hand to be adopted as mascot, logo, and even label for a music publisher.

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Just heard a very cute puzzle: Three logicians were at a bar. The bartender asked them: " Do all of you want beer? " One of them said " I don't know". The second one said : " I don't know".

The third one then said YES. How did he know that the other two wanted beer?


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That's easy. Being logicians they would take the question "do you ALL want beer" literally, not pertaining to themselves alone. So if the first two had not wanted beer, they both would have answered NO.

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That's easy. Being logicians they would take the question "do you ALL want beer" literally, not pertaining to themselves alone. So if the first two had not wanted beer, they both would have answered NO.


I agree with Chris :D

In Sentential Logic (smart, aren't I? 8) ) It's a Modus Tollens argument. If P then Q; not Q; therefore not P.

Q is the idea that they don't want beer

P is them having said "No," I don't want beer."

Condition P isn't true so Condition Q can't be the corollary.

So they would have to say no. But they couldn't have known until all three of them answered and nobody objected as the third person said "YES!"

Got it right, no?!

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Two negatives equal positive, so yes they all want a beer. And so do I! :)

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It boils down to simple Boolean logic, with particular reference to deMorgan's laws.

Bearing in mind that, as Chris rightly points out, each logician's answer doesn't state whether he wants beer, but whether they all do, the circumstances in which he can give each of the 3 possible answers are as follows:
"Yes": When and only when he wants beer AND knows that both others do too.
"No": When and only when he does not want beer OR knows that at least one of the others doesn't.
"I don't know": In all other circumstances.

This third answer therefore indicates (NOT "yes") AND (NOT "no"). Applying the circumstances under which "yes" and "no" may be given, this means:

(NOT(he wants beer AND he knows both others want beer)) AND (NOT(he does not want beer OR he knows at least one of the others wants no beer)).

DeMorgan's rules are that NOT(A AND B) is equivalent to ((NOT A) OR (NOT B))
and that NOT(A OR B) is equivalent to ((NOT A) AND (NOT B)).
Applying these to the above, we get:

(he does not want beer OR he doesn't know both others want beer) AND (he does want beer AND he doesn't know that at least one of the others wants no beer).

In turn, this is equivalent to:

(he doesn't know the others both want beer) AND (he wants beer) AND (he doesn't know at least one of the others doesn't want beer).

For a logician to answer "I don't know", all three parts of this proposition must be true, in particular the middle one. His "I don't know" answer therefore tells us (or at least the other logicians) that he wants beer.

The second logician now knows the first one wants beer, but doesn't know what the third one wants. Again, his "I don't know" answer indicates that he does want beer.

The third logician now knows that both the others want beer.


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Stop it ! The horse is dead already :P

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Very good, Chris and the rest! Now try this one: Arthur is looking at Betty, Betty is looking at Charles. Arthur is married: Charles is not.

Can it be deduced whether one of the three is married and looking at an unmarried one?


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