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Anyway, one more finding: track 19 is "Bransle de Champagne" from Poulenc's Suite Française.

Yes it is ! A most lovely suite from a very great piano composer. Keep going !

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Keep going !


Your compilation is driving me crazy.
Yet, I've got one more answer: Track 7 is from Fantasia Baetica by de Falla.


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Your compilation is driving me crazy.
Yet, I've got one more answer: Track 7 is from Fantasia Baetica by de Falla.

One more brownie point. Coccobill for president ! :lol:
Sorry it drives you nuts.... too early for hints I guess ?

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Sorry it drives you nuts....


It's not that bad, one has to move focus to a composer's style, which is a good exercise. I smell some Ginastera and Satie (could be?), but currently cannot nail anything else. I am afraid I have run out of munitions. :?


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11: Reger? This is obviously Bach-inspired. If not Reger, then Busoni.


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I know I quit, but I think I've found one: #3 = Bartok - from Microcosmos Vol. V: 132, major seconds

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I know I quit, but I think I've found one: #3 = Bartok - from Microcosmos Vol. V: 132, major seconds

So you have un-quit ! Right, one more for you there. But coccobill is way ahead !

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11: Reger? This is obviously Bach-inspired. If not Reger, then Busoni.

Classically inspired, yes. But otherwise you are wayyy off :D

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When will Magician Breemer reveal his magic tricks? :wink:

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11: Reger? This is obviously Bach-inspired. If not Reger, then Busoni.

Classically inspired, yes. But otherwise you are wayyy off :D


Cool, I have zero idea what is going on! You'll have to leave this up for a bit when the contest ends, too.


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But coccobill is way ahead !


Coccobill is stuck! So, he thinks he'll wait for the rien ne va plus. :wink:


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Looks like this round is more difficult than I had thought :D
Seeing as everybody is stuck, perhaps I should drop a hint.
The 7 composers still to be identified (remember they're all different), are, in no particular order:

- The greatest Czech composer
- The greatest Brazilian composer
- The two greatest Russian composers
- The greatest French composer
- Plus two other illustrious and fairly well-known Frenchmen

Piece of cake now, right ?

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My guesses (In no particular order)

- The greatest Czech composer

Smetana

- The greatest Brazilian composer

Moupou (spelling?)

- The two greatest Russian composers

Rachmaninov and Tchaikovsky

- The greatest French composer

Satie :wink:

- Plus two other illustrious and fairly well-known Frenchmen

Ravel and Debussy



But I should receive no credit because I have not guessed the piece name[/b]

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Thanks for the tip. The greatest Brazillian composer is Villa-Lobos (as I recently learned) #16 is Villa Lobos is Shoo Shoo Little Bird from Cirandas.

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The greatest Czech composer could also be Dvorak. :roll: but I think Smetana is better. :wink:

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- Plus two other illustrious and fairly well-known Frenchmen


One of whom is Gabriel Fauré, since track nr.2 is his first prelude from opus 103. :)


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- The two greatest Russian composers


Track 10 is Fragments by Rachmaninoff.

I wonder who is the other "greatest"... As I see it, there are almost 4-5 "greatest" Russian composers. :)


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But I should receive no credit because I have not guessed the piece name

Indeed not. Actually all of the composers are wrong except the two Russians. Mompou was Catalan, not Brazilian !

Right, one more point for pianolady and two more for coccobill. We can already that coccobill wins this round ! Shall I divulge the remaining 4 tracks or do you people want to puzzle further ?

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Shall I divulge the remaining 4 tracks or do you people want to puzzle further ?



...please the suspense is killing me :lol:

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...please the suspense is killing me :lol:


OK, I too give in!


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Alrighty then...

5: Tchaikovsky: Funeral March, No.4 from 6 Pieces on one Theme Op.21
11: Saint-Saens: Bagatelle Op.3 No.1
14: Dvorak: Mazurka Op.56 No.4
17: Debussy: Berceuse Heroique

I am not surprised nobody recognized the Debussy piece, though I'd expected someone to guess the composer.

Well that was fun, thanks for playing. Coccobill gets the stage now ! I'm sure he'll come up with an intrigueing selection.

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Shorter, but better-known clips would be great! More people could guess then.

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Boy, those were hard. Ok, maybe not for cocobill, which worries me because he can probably make the next round equally hard. (hope not)

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Shorter, but better-known clips would be great! More people could guess then.

I thought about something like that. Was afraid it would be too easy.....
Indeed, the better known, the shorther the clips could be. And vice versa - I thought schmontz's clips were way too short to even form an idea of who the composer was.

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Boy, those were hard. Ok, maybe not for cocobill, which worries me because he can probably make the next round equally hard. (hope not)


:roll: mois? :roll:

I don't know exactly what kind of quiz I'll make. Please, leave me a couple of days to think of it and get something ready. As an anticipation, I prefer brain teaser to trivia games, for that matter.


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I think that you should mix it up!

-A few shorter and more, well-known clips.
-Four or five 30-40sec clips of easily researchable pieces.
-Maybe two or three "hard" clips of about 1 minute in length...but worth double the points 8)


Because if you guys continously select "hard' clips then it will not be much of a game, more like a redunant oligopoly.

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coccobill wrote:

I don't know exactly what kind of quiz I'll make. Please, leave me a couple of days to think of it and get something ready. As an anticipation, I prefer brain teaser to trivia games, for that matter.


Brain teasers should be fun, (unless you tease my brain too much, which isn't hard to do (I can say that, not you guys :lol: ). Maybe picture type clues too, or something like a scavenger hunt on the internet that's related to classical music. But it's your game so we will wait with bated breath.

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Here we go, a new piano cornucopia is ready for you, piano friends. The quiz is divided in 3 parts, as follows.

A. Name the piece.
15 short clips extracted from well-known works of major composers. It's mainstream repertoire, so you cannot go wrong! In a few cases, I took the liberty to point to not thematic passages inside a piece, adding a bit of pepper to the discovery process.

You'll score 1 point for each correct guess.
You'll lose 2 points for each wrong guess... kidding!

B. Match the composer.
15 longer clips from not much played or just unattended works by famous and less famous composers. Since all should have a chance to play (and win), I'll provide a list of composers from which you can pick the right name up for the right clip. Some funny distractors will desperately try to divert your attention from the correct answers. Don't be deceived!

You'll get 1 point for each correct match (you don't need to name the work - just the composer).

Here's the composers' list (in alphabetical order):
Chabrier, Clementi, d'Indy, Debussy, Dussek, Gershwin, Glazunov, Godowsky, Gottschalk, Grieg, Hindemith, Hummel, Lyapunov, Mendelssohn, Milhaud, Moscheles, Moszkowski, Nielsen, Poulenc, Reger, Rejcha, Rossini, Rzewski, Satie, Scarlatti D., Sibelius, Smetana, Strauss R., Sweelinck, Szymanowski.

C. The ultimate quiz!
I love this one. Only for true geeks.
A conductor's rehearsing a piano concerto. He invites the horns to repeat a short difficult passage. The rehearsal was recorded in the 60's and both the conductor and the piano concerto are unmistakably icons for music lovers.

1. Find out which piano concerto is that (1 point);
2. Identify the conductor (1 point);
3. Detect the inconsistency of that passage (3 points).

Hint #1: that horns passage originates motivically from a main theme.
Hint #2: the name of the conductor could shed light on the kind of inconsistency.

So, have fun, a happy weekend everyone, and may the best win!


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Here are the clips of Part B.


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Last, the "ultimate quiz" clip.


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I'll pass on the A series as I cannot place the No.5.
As for the B series I recognized the following

1 - Debussy - Etude No.9 (Pour les notes repetees)
4 - Sibelius - Romanza Op.24 No.9
11 - Szymanowski - Variations on a Polish Theme Op.11, Var. 8: Marcia Funebre
12 - Nielsen - Chaconne Op.34
13 - Lyapounov - Etudes Transcendentes Op.11, No. 10: Lesghinka
14 - Godowsky - Java Suite: The gardens of Buitenzorg
15 - Gershwin - 3 Preludes: No.3

That's it for me, no time to do research on he rest. Great quiz, BTW !

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As for the B series I recognized the following

1 - Debussy - Etude No.9 (Pour les notes repetees)
4 - Sibelius - Romanza Op.24 No.9
11 - Szymanowski - Variations on a Polish Theme Op.11, Var. 8: Marcia Funebre
12 - Nielsen - Chaconne Op.34
13 - Lyapounov - Etudes Transcendentes Op.11, No. 10: Lesghinka
14 - Godowsky - Java Suite: The gardens of Buitenzorg
15 - Gershwin - 3 Preludes: No.3


Well done! 7 points for Chris.
The Szymanowski and the Nielsen are especially two pieces of fine art.


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....I gave up already. Let me know when you include Fuer Elise. :roll:

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The Szymanowski and the Nielsen are especially two pieces of fine art.

Yep, agree. I am scared to even try and start the Szymanowsky variations but plan to record the Chaconne one day. An absolutely amazing piece ! But the one I love most of these is the Godowsky item. I am madly in love with the Java suite and am currently working on recording some items, including this one.

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....I gave up already. Let me know when you include Fuer Elise.


I'm really sorry you feel the quiz is too difficult. Even if you don't recognize any of the clips, you can always try to identify the composers. The list I provided should give you some clues.


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Yep, agree. I am scared to even try and start the Szymanowsky variations but plan to record the Chaconne one day.


Indeed, those Variations are REALLY tough, but the Chaconne is more easily approachable even if musically complex. Look, I'm about to listen to it one more time today, in the beautiful rendition by Leif Ove Andsnes.


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These are the only ones I know:

A3 - Brahms, Scherzo in E-flat minor, op.4
A13 - Rachmaninov, Prelude op.23 no.9 (Wow! Even faster than Ashkenazy. This piece must be a real, real killer!)

My teachers went crazy last year and assigned the Brahms scherzo to me, just before I quit lessons. I'm still wondering whether I will be able to manage it sometime... :shock: May I ask who the pianist is? It's very different from the Backhaus recording I own.

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I'm really sorry you feel the quiz is too difficult. Even if you don't recognize any of the clips, you can always try to identify the composers. The list I provided should give you some clues.

But it is still quite tough to identify composers like Szymanowsky or Nielsen... :wink:

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A-11 is Scarlatti, but which sonata? I do not know.

B-2, my guess, Rossini.

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A3 - Brahms, Scherzo in E-flat minor, op.4
A13 - Rachmaninov, Prelude op.23 no.9 (Wow! Even faster than Ashkenazy. This piece must be a real, real killer!)


You've just scored 2 points. :)
The pianist is Sun Mei-Ting.

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My teachers went crazy last year and assigned the Brahms scherzo to me, just before I quit lessons.


I understand. I too would have quit, being assigned a task like that. :lol: :wink:

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Krystian Zimerman.

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But it is still quite tough to identify composers like Szymanowsky or Nielsen... :wink:


I am really surprised that most of the works in Part A haven't been recognized yet. They are all much played pieces. :( Part B is slightly more challenging, but for the sake of playing one can always make random associations. I see no harm in that. We are not at school! :)


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A-11 is Scarlatti, but which sonata? I do not know.


Nope. It's not a Sonata, it's a Menuet. As to the composer: not too far, anyway. :)

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Reasonable guess, but it just looks like Rossini. It is by a composer who left Paris a few years before Rossini settled there.


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A-5 - Haydn - Sonata in D major no.33 - 2nd movement - Largo e sostenuto


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A-5 - Haydn - Sonata in D major no.33 - 2nd movement - Largo e sostenuto


Yes, wonderfully played by Grigory Sokolov.


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If A-11 is not Scarlatti, then it must be Sweenlick.

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A11 is Bach, the Minuet from the 4th English Suite.

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A11 is Bach, the Minuet from the 4th English Suite.


Of course!

Juufa72, the list of composers refers only to part B of the quiz. Part A should be (at this point, I repeat "shoud be" trying to convince myself it really is) quite straightforward... :?


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So when is the reveal of the remaining pieces? We should just rename this game to the "Cocobill-Technuet game" :roll: :wink:

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So when is the reveal of the remaining pieces? We should just rename this game to the "Cocobill-Technuet game" :roll: :wink:


Since it seems kinda dead around here :), I reveal the "solutions" [in brackets the spotters]:

A_01. Liszt: Legende nr.2 (Coda)
A_02. Beethoven: Diabelli Variations (Var. XXV)
A_03. Brahms: Scherzo op.4 [spotted by Chaotica]
A_04. Ravel: Le Tombeau de Couperin (Forlane)
A_05. Haydn: Sonata Hob.XVI/37 in D major (Largo e sostenuto) [spotted by Kschyschtoff]
A_06. Schubert: Sonata op.120 in A major (III. Allegro)
A_07. Prokofiev: Romeo and Juliet op.75 nr.3 (Juliet the young girl)
A_08. Mozart: Adagio K.540 in B minor
A_09. Schumann: Papillons op.2 (Introduction)
A_10. Busoni: Carmen-Fantasie (Coda)
A_11. Bach:English Suite in F major (Menuet) [spotted by Techneut]
A_12. Scriabin: Prelude op.11 nr.3
A_13. Rachmaninoff: Prelude op.23 nr.9 [spotted by Chaotica]
A_14. Tschaikovsky: The Seasons op.37b (“August”)
A_15. Shostakovic: Prelude and Fugue in A flat major op.87 nr.17 (Prelude)

B_01. Debussy: Etude IX [spotted by Techneut]
B_02. Gottschalk: Tournament Galop
B_03. Satie: Sonatine Bureaucratique (II mov.)
B_04. Sibelius: Romance op.24 nr.9 [spotted by Techneut]
B_05. Moszkowski: Siciliano op.42 nr.2
B_06. Clementi: Gradus ad Parnassum (Study nr.47)
B_07. Reger: Bach-Variations op.81 (Theme)
B_08. Mendelssohn: Sonata op.106 (Scherzo)
B_09. Rejcha: Fuga op.36 nr.9 (upon a theme by Scarlatti)
B_10. Strauss: StimmungBuilder op.9 nr.5
B_11. Szymanowski: Variations op.10 (Var. VIII - Marcia Funebre) [spotted by Techneut]
B_12. Nielsen: Chaconne op.32 [spotted by Techneut]
B_13. Lyapunov: Etude d'execution transcendante op.11 nr.10 [spotted by Techneut]
B_14. Godowsky: Java Suite (Gardens of Buitenzorg) [spotted by Techneut]
B_15. Gershwin: Preludio nr.3 from 3 Preludes [spotted by Techneut]

Part C will remain the "unsolved pianosociety mistery"... 8) :wink:

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And Chris wins by K.O.T.

Dammit, not me again !
I did not want to win this round, that's why I refrained from guessing the A series. I had them all straight away except nr.5. Perhaps someone else can have a go now ? If there's stitt interest in the game, that is - it seems to have waned all of a sudden.

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Dammit, not me again !
I did not want to win this round, that's why I refrained from guessing the A series. I had them all straight away except nr.5. Perhaps someone else can have a go now ? If there's stitt interest in the game, that is - it seems to have waned all of a sudden.


Yes, I suspected you didn't mean to win again. :) Next time, play last! :lol:


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I can dig up some recordings if you want me to?

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