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 Post subject: Re: Me on piano and flute
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:42 pm 
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But when I was in high school and playing in flute competitions, not only was the flute music advanced, but the piano part was equally hard. I had to use the best accompanist in town. It would be too much work for me to do both parts.
Are you sure it would? You've come a long way on piano since then, and have played some pretty hard stuff. The fact that you've entered piano competitions should speak for itself. What may have seemed fiendishly difficult then, should seem almost sight-readable now. :)

I would recommend Barber's Canzone Op 38a (originally called Elegy, and recycled into the slow movement of his piano concerto). Short and sweet, the piano part is not too difficult, but harder than it looks, and as a flute piece someone told me it's on the grade 7 list.
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But ok, I guess I will not share any future 'playing with myself' projects again.
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 Post subject: Re: Me on piano and flute
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Just before even thinking of this thread a flute and piano duo started taking place in my head. A lovely melancholy piece, even in the fast sections, as only he couid achieve. Then I realised that he is one of your favourite composers too. Have yiu thought of Poulenc's sonata for flute and piano?

Couperin has no music for the recorder and by recorder I do not mean one of those cheap, plastic soprano ones which play microtones and that, when manipulated by a bunch of unmusical five-year olds, makes you long for the old days, when good King Herod held sway, but a good contralto, made of wood and finely tuned. Not many people play that one and those who do play it well. Think of Michala Petri and Hans-Matin Linde. I used to have a lot of scores for duet, but most were photocopies, so I scrapped them. I do, however, have some ones that I bought and these include some for recorder and guitar. I have Handel, Telemann, Veracini (a Florentine composer), Pupusch (Of Beggar's Opera fame), Corelli Loeillet and Fiocco (Flake!). Admittedly the piano repertoire is more exiting!

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 Post subject: Re: Me on piano and flute
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Good point, Rainer. I never really looked at the piano part when I was learning the flute part. I just remember thinking that the piano part sounded as hard as the flute part and that my father arranged for someone he knew (a very good pianist) to be my accompanist.

Richard - yes, I have played the Poulenc flute sonata. Maybe that's the one I'm thinking about having the hard piano part. Or it could be a Faure flute piece I also played for competition...or a Bach piece....I can't remember which one right now. I've got all the music in a closet or a box at home somewhere....

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 Post subject: Re: Me on piano and flute
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:00 pm 
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There is a very lovely Nielsen piece, though for flute and harp.

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 Post subject: Re: Me on piano and flute
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I don't know how to play the harp.... :)

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 Post subject: Re: Me on piano and flute
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pianolady wrote:
I don't know how to play the harp.... :)


It might be possible on the piano, though.

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richard66 wrote:
pianolady wrote:
I don't know how to play the harp.... :)


It might be possible on the piano, though.

Oh yes.....maybe I can climb inside my grand and play the strings..I mean harp. That would be another interesting project.

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 Post subject: Re: Me on piano and flute
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pianolady wrote:
richard66 wrote:
pianolady wrote:
I don't know how to play the harp.... :)


It might be possible on the piano, though.

Oh yes.....maybe I can climb inside my grand and play the strings..I mean harp. That would be another interesting project.


:shock:

Bach wrote for the harpsichord and yet we play him on the piano. Maybe I know little about harps.

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 Post subject: Re: Me on piano and flute
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I was just kidding....haha
The strings inside a piano, the whole configuration, is really called the harp.
I don't know anything about a real harp, either.

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 Post subject: Re: Me on piano and flute
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pianolady wrote:
I was just kidding....haha
The strings inside a piano, the whole configuration, is really called the harp.
I don't know anything about a real harp, either.


:evil:

I found the piece arranged for piano, by the way.

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 Post subject: Re: Me on piano and flute
PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:59 pm 
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That's okay, I would rather play something I know.
I remember when I was young I played a Mozart flute/piano piece that wasn't too hard. It had a nice, pretty melody. However, it went into the high notes, which I don't like anymore. Maybe I should really start playing the tuba! :lol:

Seriously though.... I'll have to keep up my embouchure until Christmas - that's when my family plays music together. But after that I will most likely put my flute away for another year.

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 Post subject: Re: Me on piano and flute
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pianolady wrote:
That's okay, I would rather play something I know.
I remember when I was young I played a Mozart flute/piano piece that wasn't too hard. It had a nice, pretty melody. However, it went into the high notes, which I don't like anymore. Maybe I should really start playing the tuba! :lol:

Seriously though.... I'll have to keep up my embouchure until Christmas - that's when my family plays music together. But after that I will most likely put my flute away for another year.



Try the alto flute. I believe Ravel has somethinf for it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4Ijg2D4 ... ure=relmfu

Or even better: the bass flute! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1fffxjO ... ature=plcp

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 Post subject: Re: Me on piano and flute
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Or the Magic Flute :P

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 Post subject: Re: Me on piano and flute
PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:21 pm 
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That's very neat! I didn't know there were flutes like that!! It sure would be nice play low notes for a change. Except, I can't afford another new instrument now. It cost me $300 to get my flute refurbished and I'm hoping to go on another European trip someday....
Thanks for this information, though. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Me on piano and flute
PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:14 am 
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Hi Monica,
I always figured you for having dissociative personality disorder (aka split-personality DO)! :lol: This was very fun to listen to, and, I suspect, to make. I have always thought that the ensemble of piano and flute is an excellent one. Did it take much time to get your embouchure back?

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 Post subject: Re: Me on piano and flute
PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:04 pm 
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Thank you, Eddy! Yes, it was very fun to make. I always love when I first hear both parts together for the first time.
Regarding my embouchure....I played a little flute every night for about two weeks prior this recording but it still was not totally back yet. I may re-record this piece and last night I took out my flute again, but within 10 minutes my lips felt like they were going to fall off. Hurt real bad!

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 Post subject: Re: Me on piano and flute
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Very interesting recording, Monica, especially since you've recorded it solo and this gave us something to compare it to.

Two things got lost: the use of rubato in the middle (6/8) section, which your solo recording did so well. When you're doing multiple tracks, this must be very nerve-wracking to attempt. Solution? I don't know - perhaps you'd have to listen to the piano track on earphones while playing the flute, which I imagine would be aggravating at least.

The other thing: The una corda passage in the 6/8 section is so effective in the solo because it changes the timbre of the piano. But the flute did not change timbre. However, there may be a workaround: Can you eliminate the vibrato in your sound? If so, doing that during the una corda section could be very nice. I've known singers who used this effect in Debussy (in the vocal Claire de Lune). I know nothing about the flute, so perhaps this is nonsense.

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 Post subject: Re: Me on piano and flute
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Thank you, Stewart. I know what you mean about making that spot softer. Good idea! I'm just not sure I can do it since my breath control is not what it once was. I'm going to redo this one today and will try, though (and hopefully my lips stay on and I don't pass out :wink: ). Also, last night I was doodling around with my editing program and figured out how to eliminate my annoying gasping breath in-takes, so at least I can get that part better.


*edit about six hours later*.... I tried to re-record this today, but it didn't go well. So I re-edited the original files. Thanks to Rainer for mentioning the possibility of eliminating my breathing noise...that's what I did now. I also left the volume of both tracks alone, so this is the more natural sound (minus breathing, hiss, and adding reverb....)

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Hi Monica,

You've been holding out on us! Who knew you are also a flautist? (I just looked in your bio where it's mentioned, but over the years I had forgotten that.) And your self-collaboration with the flute and piano parts in this Grenados duet worked so well. Everything is very well synchronized. It's a beautiful melancholy piece beautifully played and recorded. Congratulations!

In my university days I had the opportunity to rehearse the Mozart Sonata in D for flute and piano (similar to the version for violin and piano) with a young lady student preparing for a jury exam. I found that working with her was not unlike accompaning a singer--quite different from collaborating with a violinist or another pianist, as examples.

David

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techneut wrote:
... You hear it a lot with violin also, I hate that kind of arrangements. Of course I'm a bit of a puritan in this respect :roll:

Hello Chris,
Now I know why you don't like Couperin: he writes in various places that his pieces can be either played by the harpsichord alone or by viols, flutes, oboes etc.. Especially for some pieces which are written on three staffs. Yes you are definitely a kind of austere puritan... But we like you as such: Couperin was advocating that music should be a 'Concert des Nations'. I think he would have wished the same for PS if he had lived in our time...

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Francois de Larrard wrote:
techneut wrote:
... You hear it a lot with violin also, I hate that kind of arrangements. Of course I'm a bit of a puritan in this respect :roll:

Hello Chris,
Now I know why you don't like Couperin: he writes in various places that his pieces can be either played by the harpsichord alone or by viols, flutes, oboes etc.. Especially for some pieces which are written on three staffs.
oh oh oh.... I hope Richard sees this! I was right when I mentioned Couperin!

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Yes you are definitely a kind of austere puritan... But we like you as such: .
Not "we".... You'll have to speak for yourself on this one, Francois. He didn't say that your collaboration adds no musical value like he said about mine. I don't think that is fair....

David wrote:
Hi Monica,
You've been holding out on us! Who knew you are also a flautist? (I just looked in your bio where it's mentioned, but over the years I had forgotten that.) And your self-collaboration with the flute and piano parts in this Grenados duet worked so well. Everything is very well synchronized. It's a beautiful melancholy piece beautifully played and recorded. Congratulations!
Thank you David! :)

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