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 Post subject: Re: Rachmaninoff, "Melodie", Op. 3, No. 3 (1940 revision)
PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:17 pm 
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You would win hands down. :oops:

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 Post subject: Re: Rachmaninoff, "Melodie", Op. 3, No. 3 (1940 revision)
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Here is the magnifying glass in Audacity:


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 Post subject: Re: Rachmaninoff, "Melodie", Op. 3, No. 3 (1940 revision)
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Hi Richard,

Nah, there's no winning or losing in posting recordings here, as it's not at all like a competition. It's just a sharing of on-going musical efforts, nothing more. So in that sense, everyone who participates here is a winner.

Also, thanks for putting up that screen view of Audacity. It cleared up the mystery for me, plus I was then able to spot a similar icon in AVS too.

David :)

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 Post subject: Re: Rachmaninoff, "Melodie", Op. 3, No. 3 (1940 revision)
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No, David, I meant to say I am sure you will do a very good job of Ljadov.

The magnifying glass lets you even se the wavelenghs going up and down. I had to use it when I was transferring my tapes to CD when there was mobile phone interference from the neighbour. It allowed me then to make such small cuts that the interferrence was gone but the music was whole.

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 Post subject: Re: Rachmaninoff, "Melodie", Op. 3, No. 3 (1940 revision)
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I always thought it would be interesting to study piano with a Russian pedagogue who spoke no English. Probably I'd learn a lot. :lol:


:lol: That´s funny, but has a "true marrow" (german: wahrer Kern, just a modest attempt to translate this metaphor), because music itself is something like an international worldwide language, isn´t it?!

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 Post subject: Re: Rachmaninoff, "Melodie", Op. 3, No. 3 (1940 revision)
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Hi Andreas,

Yes indeed, you're right about that. Plus no matter what country you're in, all the directions in the score are usually in Italian. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Rachmaninoff, "Melodie", Op. 3, No. 3 (1940 revision)
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Hi Richard,

I've started the first Liadov piece and am really pleased with it. So I think I'll enjoy playing some of this music.

I also was able to locate the magnifying glass icon on AVS as well. So I edited the edit and while not perfect, I think it's an improvement. I don't know if it'll be worthwhile replacing the archive file here though.

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 Post subject: Re: Rachmaninoff, "Melodie", Op. 3, No. 3 (1940 revision)
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Hello David

I only have two of his pieces: a prelude and a Sarabande.

Most of the works of Ljadov I know are for orchestra. Some you could attribute to the Stravinsky who wrote the Firebird, while others are quite conventional. It seems his longest work is an arrangement of 8 Russian folk-songs for orchestra, otherwise he was exclusively a miniaturalist.

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 Post subject: Re: Rachmaninoff, "Melodie", Op. 3, No. 3 (1940 revision)
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Hi Richard,

Liadov wrote extensively for piano as well, for example his preludes, etudes, and other character pieces. Some of it is light salon music, but he also wrote larger and a more extended set of variations. Liadov was Catoire's principal teacher of composition.

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 Post subject: Re: Rachmaninoff, "Melodie", Op. 3, No. 3 (1940 revision)
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Nice recording, David!
It's played in a "desperate", intense way. I'm more used to a more elegant Rachmaninov.

By the way... I could never use Audacity in both Windows or Linux. When I save a file in Audacity, it looses the quality (and it looses too much! It sounds like 16 kbps). :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Rachmaninoff, "Melodie", Op. 3, No. 3 (1940 revision)
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In what format do you save your files? I notice this if I import an MP3 and export it in the same format, but if I import and MP£ and export it as a WAV it sounds perfect, at least to my ears.

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 Post subject: Re: Rachmaninoff, "Melodie", Op. 3, No. 3 (1940 revision)
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It can be. I'd try it if I had not bought Nero Wave Editor yet. hehe

And there is another thing that annoys me: its equalizing is too... let me say... "straight"? I don't know how to say... but in Nero Wave Editor, the graph has a "curve", and I can tell the radio of the curve. In Audacity, it's linear.

I'm totally for open source programs. I quit MS Office for OpenOffice for over 10 years (when it was StarOffice). Nowadays I quit Finale for MuseScore. But I can't quit Nero Wave Editor (which is a very simple program) for Audacity. Not yet.

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 Post subject: Re: Rachmaninoff, "Melodie", Op. 3, No. 3 (1940 revision)
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Hi Felipe,

Except perhaps for a few moments when I have to contend with Rachmaninoff's difficult figuration, I don't detect any "desperation" in my performance, nor did I try to portray that quality in any way. This piece is constructed as a very complex duet. By its very nature, I interpret this ultra-romantic piece to be played with a full-blooded, intense passion and fervor. And I do believe I play numerous elegant nuances along the way. (Please don't refer me to the recordings of Rachmaninoff and Volodos--I've heard them a hundred times.) However, I do understand that everyone is different. If by way of elegance you prefer a more sedate, austere and reserved Victorian era sound, I believe that you would far more enjoy the original 1892 edition. This 1940 version is more "uptown".

I find Audacity to be less than optimal too, so I use AVS Audio Editor the few times I need to delete a page turn.

Thanks for listening!

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 Post subject: Re: Rachmaninoff, "Melodie", Op. 3, No. 3 (1940 revision)
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Rachfan wrote:
If by way of elegance you prefer a more sedate, austere and reserved Victorian era sound, I believe that you would far more enjoy the original 1892 edition. This 1940 version is more "uptown".

Hm... maybe I have only listened to the original version.
In fact, these lots of chords sounded new to me. I couldn't remember the Melodie being so busy for the fingers...

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 Post subject: Re: Rachmaninoff, "Melodie", Op. 3, No. 3 (1940 revision)
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Hi Felipe,

Yes there are far more notes in this 1940 revision. I would place the original 1892 version at an intermediate level, while this revision I play here is definitely advanced level. As I had mentioned in my introductory remarks, it's possible Rachmaninoff wanted a more complex piece to use as an encore on his tours.

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 Post subject: Re: Rachmaninoff, "Melodie", Op. 3, No. 3 (1940 revision)
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I almost got AVS once, but I did not like their sneaky policy. First they tell you dowload is free and all that and only after do they tell you that all you have is a demonstration programme and that if you fork out so much...

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 Post subject: Re: Rachmaninoff, "Melodie", Op. 3, No. 3 (1940 revision)
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Hi Richard,

I cannot disagree with you there. The only reason I got AVS is that when I replaced my PC, Windows 7 will not deal with old programs, and I had AVS running for years previously. So yes, I downloaded the new freebee only to find, of course, that it was a demo version. But where I was used to it, I begrudgingly paid the fee. My understanding though is that once you do that and gain a "key", you can then download ALL of their software offerings for no further charge, including later updates and upgrades.

Any editor program is wasted on me, as I know very little about editing jargon and what the multitude of features do. My main use previously had been to adjust the volume on my recordings, but then I went to the source and adjusted the input volume on my recorder--problem solved. So now AVS stands in reserve for any really horrific page turn. Oh, I did once eliminate some A/C noise from a recording, nearly forgot that one. That's it for me when it comes to editing. A lot of people here use "normalizing", but I've read about it and there seem to be as many cons as pros with that function. Plus my mics are great with more than ample headroom. I tried that feature a couple of times and didn't like the sound as much as the original recording, so I avoid it. I do have the free Audacity here, but for the little editing I need, it doesn't seem as good as AVS with which I'm more comfortable.

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 Post subject: Re: Rachmaninoff, "Melodie", Op. 3, No. 3 (1940 revision)
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Hello David,

I have come across the revised version of the melodie. It is unrecognisable, almost a new composition! I see he also reworked the Serenade from that collection and have come across both versions of both the 1st piano concerto and of the 2nd piano sonata.

Since you like Russian piano music, do take a look here:

http://www.piano.ru/rus.html

There are loads of scores by Russian composers, but beware that this site vanishes after a time, usually May, only to come back after the new year. Do not worry if you cannot read anything, just go clicking and see what happens. For example, here is Liadov:

http://www.piano.ru/liadov.html

Catoire:

http://www.piano.ru/cat.html

Rachmnaninoff:

http://www.piano.ru/rah.html

His sonata No 2:

http://www.piano.ru/scores/rahmaninov/p ... -son-1.pdf

The revision:

http://www.piano.ru/scores/rahmaninov/p ... -son-2.pdf

And so on.

I might not mind paying a fee, but I feel it must be made clear from the very start. As for Audacity, except for cutting out strange noises, gluing together broken recordings, balancing the channels (my MP3 recorder does not always record left and right channel at the same level) and tranforming MP3s into WAV, I find it of limited use. However, I have managed to use it to refurbish some of my CDs that had gone awry and results are very satisfactory. I also used it to transfer my tape collection on to CD.

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 Post subject: Re: Rachmaninoff, "Melodie", Op. 3, No. 3 (1940 revision)
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Hi Richard,

I'm glad you looked at the two "Melodie" scores--yes, they are night and day! Once someone were to plays the 1940, I believe they would have no interest at all in playing the 1892. I think the revision is a huge improvement. It surprises me though that so few pianists know that it even exists.

Thanks for mentioning the Russian scores site. Yes, I've had that piano.ru/rus in my bookmarks for a few years now. I think the sources of their scores are the same as the IMLSP. For example, in Catoire's "Elegy" for violin and piano, page three is upside down at both websites. :lol: I'll have to compare the two sites for Liadov pieces to see if there are some pieces at one site but not the other.

For Rachmaninoff's Second Sonata I have the Boosey & Hawkes edition with the 1913 and 1931 versions back to back which is really neat for making comparisons.

Rachmaninoff's favorite concerto was his No. 1. He was always disappointed that so few artists played it. The same holds true today unfortunately. I like it a lot. The very long ending is a bit overblown. But aside from that it's masterful. I love the middle lyrical movement--gorgeous! I have a subsection of concerto scores here. Years back, I used to doodle around by playing favorite excerpts from them. But with my recording projects now, I don't have any time for that it seems. No more doodling around!

David

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