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 Post subject: Re: VIDEOS - piano four-hands
PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:18 pm 
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Version 6 is the best audio editing software! Leave it to the Germans to design something right!


I have not the comparison to all audio editing softwares, but I could imagine it is the best, it has very much features and is quite intuitively to handle and that montage-window is great. I also don´t know another program, which is able to create DVD-Audio-files, what I do from time to time with my recordings. On DVD-Audio you are able to save your recordings in 192 Khz, 24 bit-quality and you can replay them on a DVD-Audio/SACD-player.

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As for Logic Pro, I use it as a workstation to create ensemble music, and synthesize new sounds, and create new tracks. It's not so intuitive and easy to navigate like WaveLab for 2 track editing. However, I've got a new plug-in from Vienna Sound Library - Konzerthaus Organ, which is a digital recreation of the Rieger Organ in Vienna's Konzerthaus. I am curious to use it in Logic Pro - I've heard Bach on it and the fidelity of sound is amazing!


Very interesting, did you try out the free Bricasti-ambiences, btw? I think, Didier has put a link here to them a longer time ago...

I also wish a happy Easter to you and to all others here!
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 Post subject: Re: VIDEOS - piano four-hands
PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:54 pm 
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I nominate Andreas to get the "Most Creative Animated Smilies Award." :P

Hi Andreas, as tempting as the Bricasti M7 IR samples are, I haven't been able to integrate them well into Space Designer found in Logic Pro. Altiverb might be a better software choice, but it's much more difficult to set up seamlessly in stereo IR. As with many software reverbs, the audio quality suffers as reverb is added. For 2 channel recording, convolution reverb is OK, but for complex multiple mic recording in an ensemble, IR's don't integrate and blend into the sound in an organic and transparent way. They draw too much attention to themselves as the mic count goes up and you can tell that the reverb is not "soluble" with the program.

Hardware reverbs maintain audio quality better than software based reverbs - this is even more apparent in better sounding rooms than our typical living rooms. For the hardware reverbs, the Lexicon PCM 96 integrates well with the program material, and the Bricasti M7 does it even better than the Lexicon, especially in the reverb tail where the M7 sounds less grainy and doesn't oscillate pitch. I've also heard samples where Bricasti IR work fine and samples where they don't work as well as the M7 hardware unit. I've spoken with Casey Dowdell, the founder of Bricasti (he's the "Cas" in Bricasti). He's local and offered to personally integrate the unit in my studio if I buy one. :wink:

The only software solution I've seen where the reverb is as good as a hardware interface is Flux::Ircam Verb
http://www.fluxhome.com/products/plug_ins/ircam_verb
The reverb sounds sophisticated, deep, integrates well into the recording, and sounds very smooth without a hint of grain. I tried the trial version and it's very flexible, but requires a working knowledge of various acoustic parameters.

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 Post subject: Re: VIDEOS - piano four-hands
PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:52 pm 
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I nominate Andreas to get the "Most Creative Animated Smilies Award." :P


Oh, thank you! :D

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Hi Andreas, as tempting as the Bricasti M7 IR samples are, I haven't been able to integrate them well into Space Designer found in Logic Pro. Altiverb might be a better software choice, but it's much more difficult to set up seamlessly in stereo IR. As with many software reverbs, the audio quality suffers as reverb is added. For 2 channel recording, convolution reverb is OK, but for complex multiple mic recording in an ensemble, IR's don't integrate and blend into the sound in an organic and transparent way. They draw too much attention to themselves as the mic count goes up and you can tell that the reverb is not "soluble" with the program.

Hardware reverbs maintain audio quality better than software based reverbs - this is even more apparent in better sounding rooms than our typical living rooms. For the hardware reverbs, the Lexicon PCM 96 integrates well with the program material, and the Bricasti M7 does it even better than the Lexicon, especially in the reverb tail where the M7 sounds less grainy and doesn't oscillate pitch. I've also heard samples where Bricasti IR work fine and samples where they don't work as well as the M7 hardware unit. I've spoken with Casey Dowdell, the founder of Bricasti (he's the "Cas" in Bricasti). He's local and offered to personally integrate the unit in my studio if I buy one. :wink:

The only software solution I've seen where the reverb is as good as a hardware interface is Flux::Ircam Verb
http://www.fluxhome.com/products/plug_ins/ircam_verb
The reverb sounds sophisticated, deep, integrates well into the recording, and sounds very smooth without a hint of grain. I tried the trial version and it's very flexible, but requires a working knowledge of various acoustic parameters.


Thank you very much for these explanations, George. :D I´m always very interested in these matters and I see you have much more knowledge concerning them as me. (I also have to admit that I have no money in that moment for trying out new things, wether software nor hardware, but I always appreciate highly to get information and opinions!) I have tried to integrate the free Bricasti-environments in WaveLab and I only had a half success, so to speak. I could integrate that module called SIR and so I´m able to select the Bricasti environments like Vienna Hall etc. and I also hear the effects done in WaveLab very well and the differences between the halls, rooms and different reverberation-settings. But if I render the actual settings into the audio-file the effect is extremely falsified. The sound is much drier than before the rendering process, so I suppose, that mainly the Bricasti- reverberation-setting doesn´t work in the rendering-process of WaveLab. That´s why I have given up to use Bricasti. It´s quite a pity, because I would like to have these sound-environments very much! There are really very beautiful ones among them, which I would love to use! :cry: I also have said this to Didier then, who is our great specialist here concerning recording equipment and who also uses Wave Lab 6 like me. He had not that problem I have and he couldn´t find the reason. May be the reason lies somewhere in my computer?! :cry:
I think, you are really lucky to know the founder and that he helps you to integrate the hardware unit.
Thank you also very much for the link above, which I surely will check out as soon as I will find a quiet hour. :D

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