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 Post subject: VIDEOS - piano four-hands
PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:42 am 
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I found two Granados four-hand piano pieces, which I think are very cute and so I wanted to try my hand at making/editing videos (like what Andreas did) played between myself and other PS members. I am lucky that I got two fine pianists to play with me, George is on the no.1 Marcha Militar, and Chris is on the no. 2 Marcha Militar. (Thanks to you both for putting up with my demands... :wink: )

Here are the mp3s:

Granados - 2 Marchas Militares, No. 1: Allegretto

Granados - 2 Marchas Militares, No. 2: Lento marciale

And here are our videos! :)

Marcha Militar No. 1 (with George) http://www.youtube.com/user/monicapiano ... 763-U1Ryk0

Marcha Militar No. 2 (with Chris) http://www.youtube.com/user/monicapiano ... coRgkU5Qqw

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 Post subject: Re: VIDEOS - piano four-hands
PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 2:59 pm 
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Hi Monica, George and Chris,
first have my congratulations to these funny and nice renditions! (I suppose, that was a great fun to play and to edit.) What a nice surprise to see this here (there wasn´t any topic, in which you have prepared this work, isn´t it?).

To march no. 1: Congratulations also to your edit work, Monica. There are a lot of screen-settings, which are very inventive and good IMHO! Especially I like the collage, in which you see one time the two keyboards once upon the other and one time nearly as if they were one keyboard. So one has the impression of a real four hands playing here one moment.
I think, the video edting and cutting is perfect, not so the music editing: there are many places, in which the two parts are not precisely together. I always do that with the audio montage window of Wave Lab, which is a quite special thing. Do you have something similar, Monica?
The recording level is much to low. I had to put my volume to at least 65 to hear the piece in a normal volume. (My normal setting is about 35-40.)

To march no. 2: Here are very nice screens and camera angles. I like especially the one, which shows the hands (one picture is in the corner up on the right side). I think the two parts are very good together here. Here the only little problem (but it´s quite minor) is sometimes the synchronization of Monicas video-part (the music and the picture are not always properly synchronized), whereas Chris´ part seems always perfectly synchronized.

I also feel inspired to do again such videos. I really would be up to it (though it´s always much editing work).

But first I´m looking forward to our meeting on 27th to 29 th of april here in my home in Germany, Chris, in which we will do a real four hands rendition of Smetanas "Die Moldau" (which also will not mean less editing work, I suppose, because we will have to do many many cuts to avoid page turns, but that seems to be my destiny! :lol: ). I also want to make a nice video!

I have put both videos to my favorites on YouTube!

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:44 pm 
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Thank you, Andreas. I used Sony Vegas Pro 10.0. I like it a lot and really only touched on a tiny fraction of all the features it has and can do. I was going to do much more effects but in the end used mostly the pan/crop and masking feature, also video envelopes and audio envelopes and cross-fades. I think I've got both parts synced up pretty well - it was hard because I did have to manipulate some tempos in certain sections and things like that. And every time I changed one thing, another thing down the road also changed. I feel like I could spend all eternity editing these and not ever be completely satisfied. Oh well...life goes on....I haven't touched my piano in over a week because I was working all the time on this project.

But aren't these two sweet little pieces? I just love Granados!! Regarding the volume issue: It sounds fine on my end - I'm quite baffled that it's coming out too low on your end. I hope someone else chimes in on this issue...

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Great work on the video editing. I could have done without some of the computer-generated special effects but I liked the overdubbed video parts. Especially with George that came out really well, as if it were a shot of live 4-hand playing. Less convincingly with me, I suppose because of the camera angle. You can see why I don't like making videos, having I have neither the presence/experience or the right equipment, nor the space to move around with the camera.

I better get practicing seriously now for the Moldau session with Andreas. Bit of work to be done there... this does not at all lie easily under the fingers.

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Hello Monica, I am amazed how creative and skilled you are with the video effects. The superimposed keyboards was absolutely top notch.... WFMT might be looking for a new Classical Music Video Editor after what you've done here! This was a lot of work for you to put together in such an artistic way. I had no idea what to expect, and I am in awe with great surprise! These are truly great little gems to play for 4 hands. You and Chris look great!

Thank you, Andreas for the praise and helpful comments. You and Monica are masters of video. Any needed audio edits are my fault. I should have made tempo adjustments in the software before sending it to Monica. The truth is that for the past several years, I practice as often as I have my piano tuned - i.e. once a year! It seems the video torch passes to you and Chris for Die Moldau. Good Luck to you both!

Thank you Monica for all your great effort, artistry, and patience throughout the project. It took me long enough to get around, but it was wonderful to get back in the swing of practicing, learning, and recording music once again... I have missed you all in P.S.! I hope you all have a great summer!

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Chris and George - I'm glad you like the videos. Sure was a learning experience - for maybe us all! Although I must have listened to these pieces about million times - but you know what? I still like them! And yes, we had our little hiccups along the way, you wouldn't believe some of the hiccups I had to deal with on my end, like my computer doing weird things, my internet going out, my vision getting worse, loosing 'saved' files of our videos that somehow vanished into thin air, etc... Even so, I'm glad you both agreed to help me with my little project here because I enjoyed doing it a lot. :D

@George - you really should make time for your piano playing again. What about your Asturias/Leyenda? You were so close to having it down last time we heard you play it...

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Thank you so much for sharing these! I loved watching them. Monica, I think you did a fantastic job on the editing work - I am very, very impressed! I would have never known it was your first time to try something like this. Particularly fun were the effects where I could see both performers' hands at the same time. Congratulations to everyone involved! :D

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Very entertaining all! How do you do this? Do you use a silent metronome (light pulse)?

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 Post subject: Re: VIDEOS - piano four-hands
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I have concentrating on the (for me) essential part, that is, the music. The first march is quite fun, while I find the second one not so. This is not due to the playing, which is to my ears good, but to Granados himself. Correct me if I am wrong: these are works for 4 hands, so there is bound to be some difference, as you are using two pianos, so we have here a "transcription" for 2 pianos. I do not know where George is, but I do know where Monica and Chris are. What a miracle of coordination!

Do continue your project!

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Thank you for your interest/comments, Sarah, Eddy, and Richard. I had to read a lot of help guides and watched probably 50 videos on how to do editing stuff. Really, right now would be the best time for me to work on another video project like this, but I don't have any music in mind that I want to pursue (nor any willing participants), so I'll probably forget how to do much of this stuff pretty soon.

@ Eddy - no silent metronome - it was me listening to the guys' recordings in my ear as I recorded my part. We had set a tempo beforehand and planned where we would make some cuts/angle changes.

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Do you like Beethoven? He wrote a short and fun four hand sonata which my teacher and I played in the old days. While I have the score for that I will not volunteer to play with you for many reasons.

Or try Debussy's Petite Suite. The above comments apply.

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Really well done. It's hard enough playing piano duets when the partner is in the room and you can at least get visual cues. It's impressively synchronised: I don't think it's always absolutely perfect, but I can only imagine how much editing time has been required to put this together. The four-handed shot in the first video worked particularly well, I think. Very entertaining, congrats!


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Thank you, Andrew. It did take a lot of time, but would have taken much less time if I weren't working full-time now. If only I could do this recording/editing/site updating stuff while I'm at work....*sigh*.

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pianolady wrote:
Thank you, Andrew. It did take a lot of time, but would have taken much less time if I weren't working full-time now. If only I could do this recording/editing/site updating stuff while I'm at work....*sigh*.

Oh that is a such good one.... I wish I could play the piano while at work :P

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techneut wrote:
pianolady wrote:
Thank you, Andrew. It did take a lot of time, but would have taken much less time if I weren't working full-time now. If only I could do this recording/editing/site updating stuff while I'm at work....*sigh*.

Oh that is a such good one.... I wish I could play the piano while at work :P


I know, really! :lol:

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I watched the videos of both duets and have to say I am very impressed. Great contrast in dynamics and phrasing. And the tempo- it is really amazing how well synced you have the primo to the secondo. It is nearly spot on, the slight difference is hardly noticeable at all. Thanks for these recordings, I consider myself lucky to be able to download these nice recordings for free to my stockpile of recordings by Granados :D

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Hey Monica and company,

Great job on these Granados Duets. They were a joy to watch and to listen to. I look forward to more. If you need more time to do the editing, just quite your job. Money, food, and housing is hghly overated. :wink:

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Thanks Riley and Scott. I still smile when I watch both videos because I just enjoy the music so much.
But you know....I watched the videos on my actual Youtube channel for the first time just now and they are not as well in sync as the files I have on my computer. I don't know why. Maybe I should call Youtube and ask them to fix my videos....

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pianolady wrote:
But you know....I watched the videos on my actual Youtube channel for the first time just now and they are not as well in sync as the files I have on my computer. I don't know why. Maybe I should call Youtube and ask them to fix my videos....

I remember thinking that Youtube's video processing makes audio and video go slightly out of sync over time. It doesn't
seem to happen all the time though.

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Just excellent. Loved the videos. Congratulations to the pianists for the highly artistic result.


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techneut wrote:
pianolady wrote:
But you know....I watched the videos on my actual Youtube channel for the first time just now and they are not as well in sync as the files I have on my computer. I don't know why. Maybe I should call Youtube and ask them to fix my videos....

I remember thinking that Youtube's video processing makes audio and video go slightly out of sync over time. It doesn't
seem to happen all the time though.
I used to have variable results re sync, but not recently. I've taken to using Sony Vegas and always rendering to the same file format. I wonder if differing file formats don't always convert equally well to the youtube flv files.


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Hi Pantelis, and thank you! :D

@Chris and Andrew - I used Sony Vegas on this too and rendered the files as a wmv (or something like that). There are four cuts in each video and some of the sections I was able to sync up better than other sections. The ones that are dead-on are of course good on my computer and the sections that are not perfect are only slightly off on my computer so that's why I thought everything was all good. But these 'imperfect' sections are somehow exaggerated on Youbute....grrrr. :x Now I'm wondering if I should redo everything - I still have all the video sections/parts.... What would you guys do if you were me?

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What would you guys do if you were me?

Leave it :D

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Ohhhhh.....I was going to leave it, but I just watched it again and it's really bugging me. I'm going to fiddle around with it again throughout the week...

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It did not bother me so much. But I watched them only once :)

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What would you guys do if you were me?

I'd leave it also. Anything that's out is probably far more obvious to you than anyone else, and people don't watch videos trying to spot these things.


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Thank you, Andreas. I used Sony Vegas Pro 10.0. I like it a lot and really only touched on a tiny fraction of all the features it has and can do.


I have read a bit about that program on the internet and I have to say, it seems very professional, I think, it´s comparable with Adobe Premiere Pro. So, have my congratulations to that splendid program. I have read, one can also edit 3d-videos with it. That´s very interesting for me, because I have purchased a 3d-camera. (But the whole technic still is in the beginning of its development.)

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I think I've got both parts synced up pretty well - it was hard because I did have to manipulate some tempos in certain sections and things like that. And every time I changed one thing, another thing down the road also changed. I feel like I could spend all eternity editing these and not ever be completely satisfied. Oh well...life goes on....I haven't touched my piano in over a week because I was working all the time on this project.


As I said you have done a pretty good job here. But the audio-files are not perfectly synchronized at some places. For this, I think, you will need a special audio-editing-program, in which you can overlay the two audio-tracks and correct the accord of some chords and tones of both tracks together. That´s what I do with the audio-montage-function of WaveLab. After you have synchronized the two audio-files you should synchronize the new track (the result of the two synchronized audio-files) with the videos. But the first step has always to be the synchronization of the only audio-files.
Btw, I don´t suppose, that YouTube has falsified the synchronization (though this can´t be absolutely excluded). In earlier times I also thought that sometimes, but later I found out, that the (more or less) bad synchronization in these cases was my own fault.

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But aren't these two sweet little pieces?


Yes, these pieces are nice, not too deep, but entertaining in the best sense of that word.

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techneut wrote:
It did not bother me so much. But I watched them only once :)

I've watched the videos probably a hundred times....

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I'd leave it also. Anything that's out is probably far more obvious to you than anyone else, and people don't watch videos trying to spot these things.

I dunno...I'm still bugged by this.

Also, I wonder if people see the video on Youtube differently. Like does it play for everybody the same way? I tried watching it on my cell phone yesterday and you should have seen how out of sync it was. Really quite laughable! But could it be that bad for other people too?

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I have read, one can also edit 3d-videos with it. That´s very interesting for me, because I have purchased a 3d-camera. (But the whole technic still is in the beginning of its development.)

That's neat! Although I don't think I could handle having to edit yet another dimension...haha.

Regarding the audio sync: I usually edit my music files in Adobe Audition and have no problem. This time, however, I imported both audio files (multi-tracks) but had a problem cutting off the beginning of the audio files and then dragging the file over to the left-hand side - the new start place. Very frustrating - I must have wasted a whole day on trying to figure out how to do it. So I gave up and did all the audio syncing in Sony Vegas, which really does all the same things that Audition does, plus I could drag the files around more easily.

Now I'm wondering about another thing: Do audio files play the same way for everybody? Meaning, does the computer, Internet connection, device or whatever, alter the way audio files play for people? For me, on my computer, the audio files sounded pretty well in-sync, but seems like it's not for you and some other people here.

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Monica,

A way to test if the problem is due to the YouTube and/or the internet connection is to download it from YouTube (YouTube downloader is a program that will do it, as will RealPlayer). If the downloaded file is fine, then it would seem that it has to do with the connection.

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That's a good idea! Thanks, Scott.

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That's neat! Although I don't think I could handle having to edit yet another dimension...haha.


Yes, seems, that I´m the dangerous man from the other dimension! :lol: But seriously now: I´m really enthused by 3d-fotos and -films. With my Fuji Real 3d W3 I can make fotos and videos in 3d and I can watch them them on my Panasonic TV (with 3d-glasses). These fotos are so real memorials, it´s fantastic. I´m looking now, if it´s possible to post 3d-videos on YouTube and to watch them in 3d with glasses. May be one nice day I can make my first piano-video in 3d.

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So I gave up and did all the audio syncing in Sony Vegas, which really does all the same things that Audition does, plus I could drag the files around more easily.


I see now, that you have had some difficulties and if the Sony Vegas does it in a better way, why not use it, of course.

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Now I'm wondering about another thing: Do audio files play the same way for everybody? Meaning, does the computer, Internet connection, device or whatever, alter the way audio files play for people? For me, on my computer, the audio files sounded pretty well in-sync, but seems like it's not for you and some other people here.


I could imagine, that the speed of the internet connection could make a video out of sync, but I´m no expert concerning these matters. I suppose, prinicipally it could be possible, that these technical conditions could change the files. I also think, the idea of Scott is a good one. I will try to download your video with RealPlayer and see, if something has changed.

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o.k., I have done it. Seems that the video (March no. 1) downloaded with Real Player is a bit out of sync like the one on YouTube. So, I suppose it´s in the original and not falsified by the "technique". There still are some small places, the synchronization isn´t perfect. But may be that´s nitpicking now (which we love to do here so much :lol: ). So, please, don´t care about remarks, if you think, they are not important. That would be al right, of course.

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I'm also not an expert on this sort of technical problem, but I could believe that not all audio or video codecs respond equally well to the youtube conversion process. I used to use Windows Movie Maker, and found some problems with sound distortion under certain circumstances.


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Hi Monica, Chris, and George,

Who knew that Granados composed military marches? They're both high spirited and charming too--fine playing all around. Monica, you really worked magic to get everything so coordinated and in synch. (Nothing is ever perfect, but it was all perfect enough for me. :)) The special effects were great too. Very entertaining!

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Thanks everyone for the great comments. There are some newcomers with whom I hope to make their acquaintance soon... :D

Sarah, how's the recorder working out?... Pantelis, how's the photography and jazz going?... I'll be going to Greece in 2012... Chris, are you still recording on the organ?... David, keep your ears open for those buoys - I'll be getting the sailboat ready in 3 weeks on Cape Cod!...

Monica, Andreas is right. I think it's an audio synching issue in certain areas. Monica, why don't you send me an audio file of YOUR tracks. Otherwise you'll go crazy. :P I'll see where and whose part needs editing. Remember, I re-recorded my part after a 12hr work day, so it's probably me that's off?! Let's see if we can fix this. I am starting to practice again after a few years... I am taking care of unfinished business - pieces that were started, but never completed so long ago in a galaxy, far, far away... :P

Andreas, you must have version 6 or later - My version of WaveLab 5 doesn't allow for multitracks, otherwise it would be much easier to add markers, time stretch/compress to make everything fit, and then mix everything down to two tracks. I wonder if WaveLab 7 is just as easy?... I have Cakewalk Sonar 6 and Logic Pro 8, but they're very cumbersome for editing individual tracks.

Anyone wishing to do videos, Sony Vegas Pro 10 is great software, thanks to Monica's advice - much easier to use than Final Cut which is Apple based.

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My internet is out again. I'll write to you guys tomorrow when I'm at work. I'm using my cell phone now....

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88man wrote:
Pantelis, how's the photography and jazz going?... I'll be going to Greece in 2012...

George, it's been a while. Congratulations for this recording. I really enjoyed the video and your sound was superb.

I'm afraid jazz is a little left behind nowadays. Too much work, too little time. Photographically, I'm in a better shape though. Last month I was in Venice (for the Rigoletto at La Fenice) and I took some pictures. By the way, I'll be in Hofleur (Normandie) for the Easter week. I don't know if anyone else from PS will be there. It would be nice to meet. Watch out, as I plan to take many pictures from Satie's house.


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Watch out, as I plan to take many pictures from Satie's house.

His house must have a very good view :P

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Last night I started re-editing the Marcha 2 - for some reason, that one was harder to sync - probably because 'somebody' wore the wrong shirt (not me...haha). Anyway, I've also been reading up on syncing audio and video files and now I'd like to try out some new programs. George - I'm not quite ready to give up the ship yet. But if I do not make any substantial improvements, I'll send you my files. I just need a little time - I don't have to work tomorrow, so maybe I can make good progress in the upcoming days.

p.s. Thanks, David. :)

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88man wrote:
Sarah, how's the recorder working out?

Thanks for asking... it's going great! :D Been spending as much time as I can with it between piano and classwork. Our little recorder ensemble plans to have a concert this fall, and we're enjoying practicing Bach for that.

Good to see you around here again!! Seems like you have some exciting things planned on your end... sailing on Cape Cod and a trip to the Mediterranean sound fantastic, as does being able to get back into playing again. I bet it's a great feeling to have a little time at the keyboard. :D

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Monica, Andreas is right. I think it's an audio synching issue in certain areas.


I´m so glad, that someone agrees to me. You know, I´m just quite nitpicking concerning these matters of synchronization also concerning my own editing works and I don´t would like to count, how many hours I have spent in my life until now with fumbling around on such sync-problems. (Too much, I´m sure!) And though I always am very nitpicking with myself, my videos also are not always perfect concerning synchronization... :?
Apart from my nitpicking-attitude concerning the audio-editing I would like to repeat, that in summary you have done a very good work here and it´s a pleasure to listen to inspite of the little sync-problems, which in reality also can easily happen, btw! (Especially if two persons play together, which don´t play very often together.)

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Andreas, you must have version 6 or later - My version of WaveLab 5 doesn't allow for multitracks, otherwise it would be much easier to add markers, time stretch/compress to make everything fit, and then mix everything down to two tracks. I wonder if WaveLab 7 is just as easy?... I have Cakewalk Sonar 6 and Logic Pro 8, but they're very cumbersome for editing individual tracks.


Yes, I have purchased WaveLab 6.0, but before I also have used version 5. Would really be interesting to know something about version 7. Cakewalk and Logic Pro I don´t know, but I have heard, that Logic Pro should be a quite good program, though you don´t seem to acknowledge that.
I really would like to tried out Sony Vegas. Seems to be a very good program.

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Watch out, as I plan to take many pictures from Satie's house.


Wow, would it be possible to share some of these pictures with us? I would be very interested in them!

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And though I always am very anal with myself,

Cripes ! That is just disgusting :shock: :roll: :lol:

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And though I always am very anal with myself,

Cripes ! That is just disgusting :shock: :roll: :lol:


In the leo-online-dictionary I found "anal" as familiar word for the german word "pingelig" (can also be translated with "nitpicking"), but better I will change this expression above, for that members, who are not familiar with the familiar english expressions (like you?) don´t come to false conclusions! :wink:

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@Monica:
I would like to thank you, that you have added our Symphony of Farewell together with your new Granados-marches on the main-page with the nice explanations to them.
ImageI really appreciate that und I think, our nice experiments were (are) really creative and as such they are a beautiful and individual "store sign" for our Pianosociety homepage! And I think, they could be something unique or one-of-a-kind in music-history generally, at least I don´t know anyone, who has done a similar project until now. I only know some experiments on YouTube, in which people have recorded several tracks of themselves and have overlayed them, also with video. (I hope, I don´t seem too unmodest with my statements here.)
I only have seen that today, because I don´t look to often on the main-page. I mostly log in directly to the forums.

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In the leo-online-dictionary I found "anal" as familiar word for the german word "pingelig" (can also be translated with "nitpicking"), but better I will change this expression above, for that members, who are not familiar with the familiar english expressions (like you?) don´t come to false conclusions! :wink:

Ah right :!: I didn't know anal is an alias for pingelig (although I suspected it somewhat).
I just googled it and got a bit of a shock :P

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@Andreas - you're welcome. I didn't mention that to anyone - I just quietly put up that information.

Regarding the syncing - I am pretty nitpicky too and tried hard to get these two videos together. The other day I read about a program called Plural Eyes that is is supposed to automatically sync up audio and video files. Sounded so great and I was very excited to try it, which I did last night. But it didn't work :(. I tried a million different things and then gave up on it. Then I went back to square one and redid the entire no. 2 video and thought I got a better sync between the audio files. So I brought the new audio file into the video and then rendered it three different ways - one with the audio in wav format and a 3mbps template, one with audio in mp3 format and 3mbps template, and one with audio in mp3 and 512kbps template. I uploaded all three videos onto Youtube to see if any of the three would look better in sync (I have them in 'private viewing' setting so nobody sees them on my channel). The result is that none of them look any better than the original video, so that's it....I now give up totally!

Chris and George - sorry if these videos did not come out as perfect as you would have liked. George, I can't send you my audio files because I can't find them. Some files disappeared - or probably I'm going crazy and forgot where I put them.

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Pantelis, I think La Fenice is a hidden gem - much more cozy than La Scala. That must have been an excellent performance! I won't be in Honfleur, but will be in the South of France in September if anyone's there?... :P The Houses of Satie are very interesting, but don't miss out on the port and estuary of the Seine River for amazing landscape photography!

Thanks Sarah. I try to fool myself into thinking that winters are for working, and summers are for sailing, and travel. I am trying to squeeze music between the two. :)

Andreas, if you have WaveLab 6, don't bother with 7 - more menus to go through to do the same thing on certain functions. Version 6 is the best audio editing software! Leave it to the Germans to design something right! As for Logic Pro, I use it as a workstation to create ensemble music, and synthesize new sounds, and create new tracks. It's not so intuitive and easy to navigate like WaveLab for 2 track editing. However, I've got a new plug-in from Vienna Sound Library - Konzerthaus Organ, which is a digital recreation of the Rieger Organ in Vienna's Konzerthaus. I am curious to use it in Logic Pro - I've heard Bach on it and the fidelity of sound is amazing!

Monica, "Power... Power... Count to 10... OK, maybe 20... :P Certain big programs and workstations, like Sony Vegas Pro, automatically create project folders for working files - check those other folders. If you ever want to search for files in a sea of folders, try downloading a program called "Everything." It makes "lost" file searches a snap. When you bought your computer, was your hard disk partitioned? I place all my program files in C-drive and all my docs in D-drive. It makes searches much easier. PLUS, I save my docs on an external HD full-time. If your hard disk is not partitioned, just get another 500GB-1TB hard disk and make that your docs drive, and use the old disk for programs only. I don't use my new computer for internet unless I am updating. I use my 5 year old computer for the internet, and that way all potential viruses are quarantined on one machine that I could care less about, whereas the new computer stays pure as a vestil virgin... Don't panic yet, the files will turn up when you least expect it. :wink: Let me know.

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...whereas the new computer stays pure as a vestil virgin...

Who needs a computer if you have......

I guess that I won't finish that thought. 8)

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If you have a what...?
Go ahead, finish your thought, Scott. I could use the diversion... :arrow:
(what is that arrow thing for anyway? :lol: )

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