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 Post subject: Re: Beethoven Piano Sonata #14 Op. 27 Adagio Sostenuto
PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:12 pm 
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I will give you this Richard, your way of seeing it conforms perfectly with the Tonal aspects that I listed above: An Exposition using two keys, and a Recapitulation using only 1. It is interesting to think about, but difficult to get around the ternary nature of sonata form.

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 Post subject: Re: Beethoven Piano Sonata #14 Op. 27 Adagio Sostenuto
PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 6:33 am 
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Therefore I spoke about a sonata forn without development, that is, without a "B" section, which coresponds with the development!

In the end what matters is, is it an attractive piece to listen to? If so, what matter? If not, the most perfect form will not improve it.

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 Post subject: Re: Beethoven Piano Sonata #14 Op. 27 Adagio Sostenuto
PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 3:02 pm 
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Agreed! I only meant that if a triangle (sonata form) has three sides, its hard to think of one with only two. Probably a good thing to do would be to analyze the form of all the slow movements of his sonatas and see if any of them are in sonata form. I'm not up to that. After all is said and done, I hope folks will think of the tempo of the 1st movement as depending on the half-note (minum) not the quarter-note (crotchet). :)

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 Post subject: Re: Beethoven Piano Sonata #14 Op. 27 Adagio Sostenuto
PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:05 pm 
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If you are referring to the Moonlight I agree: it was to me an eye-opener. I have tried playing at the same "fast" tempo and I must say, it makes much more sense and does not feel at all "fast".

Maybe "sonata form without development" is a contradiction, rather like saying "binary form without a B section".

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 Post subject: Re: Beethoven Piano Sonata #14 Op. 27 Adagio Sostenuto
PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 6:30 pm 
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Oops! Yes, I did change sonatas there didn't I? :oops:

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 Post subject: Re: Beethoven Piano Sonata #14 Op. 27 Adagio Sostenuto
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The name "Moonlight" was, according to Michael Kennedy in his Oxford Dictionary of Music, not given by Beethoven, but to a critic who was reminded, listening to the first movement, to the moonlight on Lake Lucerne, "which is strange for a movement that has more the character of a funeral march" (not an exact quotation, as I quote from memory, but that between brackets was MK's observation). Now I see why the critic was reminded of the moonlight while MK thinks it is a dead march.

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 Post subject: Re: Beethoven Piano Sonata #14 Op. 27 Adagio Sostenuto
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Thanks to everyone for all of the topics covered here. I always love to hear
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 Post subject: Re: Beethoven Piano Sonata #14 Op. 27 Adagio Sostenuto
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Your mp3 of this is up on the site now, Craig. Sounded good to me - I am one who doesn't like this piece to drag on and on so I liked your tempo here.
Also, thanks for the Gutenberg link. I've read so much on that site - what a treasure trove! Hopefully I can get around to reading some of the Beethoven letters. Especially if his love letters are included - that would be nice - then I can read them and go into my own little world and dream away....

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