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 Post subject: Re: Rare music of Eduardo Dutra: Preludio, Op. 32 in F#m
PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 2:15 am 
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(David, sorry for using your post to answer to Richard's message..!)

Hello Richard,

I'm delighted to hear your opinion on my rendition of Bortkiewicz's Op.15 No.8 and will consider recording it for PS.

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 Post subject: Re: Rare music of Eduardo Dutra: Preludio, Op. 32 in F#m
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Hi Alexandre,

No problem. Op. 15 No. 8 is one of my favorites too. Looking forward to your recording! :)

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 Post subject: Re: Rare music of Eduardo Dutra: Preludio, Op. 32 in F#m
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Dr. Eduardo D'Utra e Silva, inherited the Laboratory F. Dutra, Fabrizio your father and also the love of letters and arts. Eduardo's father Dick, a pediatrician, philosopher, composer, musician, very cultivated, an expert in wrestling, polyglot, including full fluency in Greek, he studied philosophy devoting himself especially the neo-scholastic. Famous conductor and composer, and very successful entrepreneur also taught to a select group of students, one of the famous students of Eduardo Dutra e Silva, Jack Klein was professor Arnaldo Cohen.
In music he joined the neo-romanticism. He studied music theory with renowned masters, violin with Joaquim Boisson; perfected in piano with Henry Oswald, Barroso Neto and Charley Lachmund.
Eduardo Dutra was a classical composer of great prestige and over the years leading conductors and soloists have performed several of his works, among them Francisco Braga, Henrique Spedini, Ernesto Ronchini Arthur Bosmans, Martinez Degree and recently Arnaldo Cohen recently presented one of his works on his CD released in 2005.
Among the soloists, Mario Neves, Mario de Azevedo, Arnaldo Rebello, Josette Dyla, Isaac Feldman, Peri Machado and others. His works are performed, Concerto in F sharp minor, "ballet - Pantomime" entitled "The Princess of Medinet - el Fayum," five "Preludes", "Orientales" (suite of seven dances of oriental character), "Idyll" Etc. For piano, "Sonata in C minor, twelve" Preludes "and six" Miniatures "(children's suite), five" studies "," Five "Mazurkas" and three "Viennese Waltz" concert, "Three Berceuse" "Concerto No. 2" Piano "Concerto No. 1" for orchestra. Eduardo studied philosophy and theology, many hours a day with equal dedication to music.
As a pediatrician served only children of friends and relatives.
The evenings were frequented by famous artists, musicians, singers and well Cyl Dick and grew in an environment focused on the arts and philosophy.
It is worth noting that all you had to practice wrestling watching Grandpa and his followers and coach
This is part of the book is a biography of Dick Farney.
Mariangela- I am the heir of both, put me to provide further information, thank you and to emphasize that we are thrilled with the comments about the work of Eduardo Dutra.


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I suppose this is meant as bio material for the listing here? However, regarding the following:
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As a pediatrician served only children of friends and relatives

I would not list this exclusivity, as it may in others (as it does in me, a physician) make them think that he only served those who could pay and not others. Certainly as a man of culture, letters, art and such, his "friends and relatives" would also have been individuals of privilege with resources.

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 Post subject: Re: Rare music of Eduardo Dutra: Preludio, Op. 32 in F#m
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Hi Mariangela,

Thank you so much for providing all of that additional information on Eduardo Dutra! It is not easy to find background material on this wonderful composer. Having read your account, I now feel that I know him far better than before. When I was given the score to his "Preludio", Op.32, it was an honor for me to learn and record the piece and present it here at Piano Society. I notice on the "insights" feature at YouTube that my biggest audience for this recording are listeners in Brazil, so it has not gone unnoticed, and I am grateful for that!

I do hope that more of his piano solo scores will be rediscovered and reprinted sooner than later. I'm sure there are many treasures there. In comparing thoughts with the artist who gave me the score, I've concluded that the Preludio, Op. 32 came to me from Paris to Rio de Janeiro to Montreal to New York City and then to my home in Maine. That's a very roundabout route for one, rare piece of sheet music. Imagine if these pieces could be more readily available to pianists!

Thanks again for your comments.

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 Post subject: Re: Rare music of Eduardo Dutra: Preludio, Op. 32 in F#m
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Dr. Eduardo D'Utra e Silva, inherited the Laboratory F. Dutra, Fabrizio your father and also the love of letters and arts. Eduardo's father Dick, a pediatrician, philosopher, composer, musician, very cultivated, an expert in wrestling, polyglot, including full fluency in Greek, he studied philosophy devoting himself especially the neo-scholastic. Famous conductor and composer, and very successful entrepreneur also taught to a select group of students, one of the famous students of Eduardo Dutra e Silva, Jack Klein was professor Arnaldo Cohen.
In music he joined the neo-romanticism. He studied music theory with renowned masters, violin with Joaquim Boisson; perfected in piano with Henry Oswald, Barroso Neto and Charley Lachmund.
Eduardo Dutra was a classical composer of great prestige and over the years leading conductors and soloists have performed several of his works, among them Francisco Braga, Henrique Spedini, Ernesto Ronchini Arthur Bosmans, Martinez Degree and recently Arnaldo Cohen recently presented one of his works on his CD released in 2005.
Among the soloists, Mario Neves, Mario de Azevedo, Arnaldo Rebello, Josette Dyla, Isaac Feldman, Peri Machado and others. His works are performed, Concerto in F sharp minor, "ballet - Pantomime" entitled "The Princess of Medinet - el Fayum," five "Preludes", "Orientales" (suite of seven dances of oriental character), "Idyll" Etc. For piano, "Sonata in C minor, twelve" Preludes "and six" Miniatures "(children's suite), five" studies "," Five "Mazurkas" and three "Viennese Waltz" concert, "Three Berceuse" "Concerto No. 2" Piano "Concerto No. 1" for orchestra. Eduardo studied philosophy and theology, many hours a day with equal dedication to music.
As a pediatrician served only children of friends and relatives.
The evenings were frequented by famous artists, musicians, singers and well Cyl Dick and grew in an environment focused on the arts and philosophy.
It is worth noting that all you had to practice wrestling watching Grandpa and his followers and coach
This is part of the book is a biography of Dick Farney.
Mariangela- I am the heir of both, put me to provide further information, thank you and to emphasize that we are thrilled with the comments about the work of Eduardo Dutra.


Thank you very much for all this fascinating information. Jacques Klein (along with Joel Ryce and Jerome Lowenthal) was one of the few students of William Kapell, incidentally.


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 Post subject: Re: Rare music of Eduardo Dutra: Preludio, Op. 32 in F#m
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Outstanding colour, David. Excellent understanding and judgement of mood and style. I'm very impressed once again by your full sound and dynamics.


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 Post subject: Re: Rare music of Eduardo Dutra: Preludio, Op. 32 in F#m
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Hi Pantelis,

Thanks for listening to this "Preludio". I'm happy that you enjoyed it, and thanks for the compliments!

You probably noticed that Eduardo Dutra's grand-daughter added some information here about the composer and his many activities which was quite interesting. Getting the score for this piece was true serendipity for me. It came to me through a very convoluted global route. As I said elsewhere, finding Dutra's scores nearly requires archeology. As I started playing it at the piano, it quickly grew on me, and as the final step I recorded it. It turned out that Arnaldo Cohen had recorded it a few years earlier. The two interpretations are very different, but that's a good thing, as it hints at the possibilities for interpretation. It was a wonderful feeling doing at least a small part to illuminate this music.

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 Post subject: Re: Rare music of Eduardo Dutra: Preludio, Op. 32 in F#m
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A strange thing happened. I noticed that I had commented on this piece almost a year ago. And yesterday, I came upon it once again and it felt so impressive again that I had to write a few lines again!
So, David, apart from my sanity of judgement and consistency verification, this means that your performance holds well through the test of time. Also thanks for your reply, I found all this information really interesting.


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 Post subject: Re: Rare music of Eduardo Dutra: Preludio, Op. 32 in F#m
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Hi Pantelis,

At least you knew you were commenting a second time. And I greatly appreciate that! In a thread that will remain unmentioned, I recently noticed that I had responded to it three times over a couple of years without realizing it. :lol: :lol: :lol: They must have thought I was the absent minded professor. :oops:

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 Post subject: Re: Rare music of Eduardo Dutra: Preludio, Op. 32 in F#m
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Rachfan wrote:
Hi Mariangela,

Thank you so much for providing all of that additional information on Eduardo Dutra! It is not easy to find background material on this wonderful composer. Having read your account, I now feel that I know him far better than before. When I was given the score to his "Preludio", Op.32, it was an honor for me to learn and record the piece and present it here at Piano Classes Society. I notice on the "insights" feature at YouTube that my biggest audience for this recording are listeners in Brazil, so it has not gone unnoticed, and I am grateful for that!

I do hope that more of his piano solo scores will be rediscovered and reprinted sooner than later. I'm sure there are many treasures there. In comparing thoughts with the artist who gave me the score, I've concluded that the Preludio, Op. 32 came to me from Paris to Rio de Janeiro to Montreal to New York City and then to my home in Maine. That's a very roundabout route for one, rare piece of sheet music. Imagine if these pieces could be more readily available to pianists!

Thanks again for your comments.

David

^ Wow, it is a beautiful piece. I don't know who the composer was but the piece is definitely worth listening to. Great recording and piano playing.


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 Post subject: Re: Rare music of Eduardo Dutra: Preludio, Op. 32 in F#m
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Hi Stephen,

I'm so glad you enjoyed this prelude by a little-known composer. I didn't quite know what to expect, but once I started playing it, the piece really grew on me. I just wish we had more of Dutra's works. Thanks for listening.

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 Post subject: Re: Rare music of Eduardo Dutra: Preludio, Op. 32 in F#m
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I find the post by this "family member" of Dutra a bit cheesey. Having contacts in Brazil I set them looking for Dutra and not a single reference was found of him in any single musical or sound library. It was as if had never existed. Besides that, the surname is wrong: D'Utra does not exist and no recordings seem to be available, which is strange, if a CD was issued in 2005 by a fairly well-known pianist.

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 Post subject: Re: Rare music of Eduardo Dutra: Preludio, Op. 32 in F#m
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Hi Richard,

Well, Arnaldo Cohen has played Dutra's Preludio on a CD. I can send you the clip if you'd like to hear it. I also had read earlier that Dutra owned a testing laboratory (evidently his daytime job), which also fits the account here. On YouTube a gentleman familiar with Dutra responded offering a correction on Duta's date of birth. (I haven't changed it.) His son Farnesio existed for sure, as he was a well-known musician in the U.S. in the 1950s. Nuessa Franca in Paris also has an old personally autographed copy of the Preludio in Dutra's own hand. Plus there is a brief write-up in Wikipedia about the composer. I have no doubt that the man truly existed. As I had mentioned before, Dutra was not published by a major sheet music publisher. He preferred to do private printings on demand. So it's not surprising that his music was not widely played or recorded.

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 Post subject: Re: Rare music of Eduardo Dutra: Preludio, Op. 32 in F#m
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Hello, David,

I was not questioning the existence of Dutra, whom we know existed and all that, but that he should turn out to be so famous. My contact certainly did not come up with any musical evidence whatsoever, which is odd. I quote:

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I've spent hours trying to find any kind of link which would tell me anything about Eduardo Dutra. I Tried Instituto Moreira Salles, Museu imagem e do som, Arquivo Nacional, Dicionário Cravo Albim, Dicionário Houais de musica, etc. With absolutely no results. Only thing I could find, was that the father taught the child to play the piano and the mother was a singer.

Apparently Dick Farney has a son, named Eduardo, also, but I could not find any other reference. Only José Eduardo Dutra, president of PT, who isn't the person you want.


Anyway, I wish, I WISH, this relative could deliver the goods and produce some of the scores! Based on the evidence of that prelude, he was good!

What piece das Estrella play?

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Hi Mariangela,

Thank you for listing those works of Eduardo Dutra for solo piano. Today how can pianists obtain copies of the sheet music for those piano pieces? If you could kindly give us some information on that, it would be most helpful. Thank you for your assistance.

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Hi Richard,

Mariangela did not leave us a way to contact her, so leaving the message above is the only possibility for now.

So far as I know, those scores were lost or destroyed after Dutra's death. It might take an organized search of municipal and university music libraries and private archives in Rio de Janeiro to locate any extant scores. This might be the next closest thing to archeology. :lol:

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Rachfan wrote:
Hi Richard,

Mariangela did not leave us a way to contact her, so leaving the message above is the only possibility for now.

David


Hello, David,

That in itself makes me think it is a hoax.

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Eduardo D'Utra e Silva, son of Fabrizio, inherited from his parents love for God, the arts, science, philosophy, and the rights of a very popular drug - Feverfew - among other drugs manufactured by the Laboratory F.Dutra, leading the name of Fabrizio D'Utra e Silva.

Eduardo excellent student since childhood, and dedicated perfectionist, I'm philosophy, was trained in music, very competent with string instruments, especially violin and masterful pianist during his lifetime wrote many scholarly works and large numbers were presented, was formed in pharmacy and medicine having specialized in pediatrics, philosopher, poligloto, loved boxing and wrestling sports activities which specializes. Eduardo develop teaching techniques that apply to students of piano, violin and his sons
In music he joined the neo-romanticism. He studied music theory with renowned masters; violin with Joachim Boisson; perfected on piano with Henrique Oswald, Barroso Netto and Charley Lachmund.

Eduardo Dutra, was a composer and scholar of great reputation over the years outstanding conductors and soloists performed several of his works, among them Francisco Braga (was artistic director and conductor of the Orchestra Symphonic Concert Society), Henry Spedini (conductor holder Symphony Orchestra of Theatro Municipal do Rio de Janeiro), by Symphony Orchestra of Rio de Janeiro under the baton of conductor and professor Ernesto Ronchini, conductor Arthur Bosmans, Martinez Degree and recently Arnaldo Cohen recently presented one of his works in his Cd edited in 2005.
Among the soloists, Mario Neves, Mario de Azevedo, Arnaldo Rebello, Dyla Josetti, Isaac Feldman, Peri Machado and others. His works are performed more; Concerto in F sharp minor; "Balet - pantomime" entitled "The Princess of Medinet - el Fayum," five "Preludes", "Orientales" (suite of seven dances of oriental character), "Idyll" Etc. For Piano, "Sonata in C minor; twelve" Preludes "and six" Miniatures "(suite child); five" Studies ";" Five "Mazurkas" and three "Viennese Waltzes"; concert, "Three Berceuses" "Concerto No. 2" for piano and "Concerto No. 1" for orquestra.Arthur Rubinstein presented several pieces and presented Anatoli Kitain Hall Carnigie presented in the composition of Eduardo "Prelude in F Minor." The Orquetra Sinfonica Brasileira presented hundreds of works by Eduardo of which he himself excelled "Prelude for String" and "Concerto for piano and orchestra.
Eduardo studied philosophy, theology and many hours per day with equal dedication to the music, to lecture to a select group of students, with the sole purpose of perfecting them, competent administrator transforms the lab he inherited from his father, one of the most important its segment, and its production successes in various areas combined produce beautiful book.
Eduardo, marries a young socialite Iracema, pianist, artist plastica (traditional society of Alagoas and Rio), had two sons Dick Farney (Farnesio Dutra e Silva) famous conductor, arranger, singer, pianist, actor and presenter and Cyll Farney (Cylleno Dutra e Silva) known film and television actor, entrepreneur, musician.
Eduardo Dutra and devoted himself Suiva follow very diligently to encourage the children in their artistic activities and was the biggest fan of the work they performed, died in 1953 of myocardial infarction fulminat.
I am heiress to Dick Farney and I am available for more information on Dick Farney, Cyll Farney children and the Dutra Dr.Eduardo own Eduardo Dutra.


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Another gobbledygook spam post from this shady person - cross-posted 4 times in different forums. There really is no point to this. I have removed this person (email address dickfarney@us.com :roll: ) from the forum.

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Another gobbledygook spam post from this shady person - cross-posted 4 times in different forums. There really is no point to this. I have removed this person (email address dickfarney@us.com :roll: ) from the forum.


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I am heiress to Dick Farney and I am available for more information on Dick Farney, Cyll Farney children and the Dutra Dr.Eduardo own Eduardo Dutra.


That is the point of it:a scam.

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It's truly annoying and dismaying.

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I have found this about Eduardo Dutra. It is an interview with Arnaldo Cohen, given in 2001, who owns a copy of the very same prelude, given to him by Jacques Klein. TThis is an interview given to the BBC when of the issue of a CD with music by Brazilian composers. I have chosen not to translate, but the gist is that Cohen went to look through the scores Klein had given him and came across this Prelude. Who Eduardo was and who was Farnesio was a mystery to him, so he placed an advertisement asking for information. He received three calls and discovered very little, really, and the information is to be found above (was it Luis Sarro who wrote it? I cannot remember).

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/portuguese/cultura/011205_cohenmv.shtml

Cohen - A história mais fascinante desse disco começou em 1970, quando meu professor na época, Jacques Klein, me disse que estava fazendo uma limpeza na biblioteca e perguntou se eu queria algumas coisas. Claro que eu queria, não tinha dinheiro, não tinha muita música...

Trinta anos depois, quando fui escolher o repertório para o disco, resolvi dar uma olhada na minha biblioteca para ver o que eu tinha. Me deparo com uma peça chamada Prelúdio, assinada por Eduardo Dutra. Eu leio - é uma peça pequena, que está no disco - parecia um pouco Rachmaninov, uma coisa bonita. Não tem o nome da editora, nada. Só o ano, 1940, e uma dedicatória. "A meu filho Farnésio."

No Brasil, fui tentar descobrir. Um amigo jornalista colocou um anúncio no Globo, no Rio de Janeiro, pedindo a quem soubesse quem foi Eduardo Dutra que entrasse em contato. Recebi três telefonemas. Eduardo Dutra era um músico amador, químico industrial, que tinha um laboratório farmacêutico, que aos domingos reunia os amigos para fazer saraus, reuniões musicais. E que era pai do Farnésio. Só que o Farnésio é famoso pianista de jazz brasileiro Dick Farney, irmão do Cyl Farney, o ator dos tempos da Atlântida e do Grande Otelo.

Foi uma surpresa extraordinária. Agora, se o Eduardo Dutra, quando compôs isso, em 1940 - porque ele compôs para uso interno, não foi para vender nem divulgar coisa nenhuma - acho que se ele soubesse, 60 anos depois, que essa obra seria gravada e distribuída no mundo inteiro, tenho certeza de que iria ficar muito feliz. É uma satisfação pessoal, e essa história talvez seja para mim a mais fascinante desse disco.


Here are two recordings, a Live one by Pierre Feraux:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WavNsm5 ... re=related

And Cohen's Version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzgHgkLu ... re=related

Famous composer indeed!

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Hi Richard,

Had this blurb been in Spanish, I would have attempted it. But Portugese is quite different. Maybe Luis could assist us.

Thanks for adding the two other extant recordings. The three interpretations are different in some details--tempo, rubato etc., yet substantially similar in approach.

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Rachfan wrote:
Had this blurb been in Spanish, I would have attempted it. But Portugese is quite different. Maybe Luis could assist us.

Google translate does a very decent job:


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Cohen - The fascinating story of this album began in 1970, when my teacher at the time, Jacques Klein, told me he was doing a cleanup in the library and asked if I wanted some things. Of course I wanted, I had no money, did not have much music ...

Thirty years later, when I choose the repertoire for the record, I decided to take a look at my library to see what I had. I come across a piece called Prelude, signed by Eduardo Dutra. I read - is a small part that is hard - seemed a bit Rachmaninov, a beautiful thing. It has the name of the publisher, nothing. Only the year 1940, and a dedication. "The Farnesio my son."

In Brazil, I was trying to figure out. A journalist friend put an ad in the Globe, in Rio de Janeiro, asking anyone who knew who was Eduardo Dutra to get in touch. I received three phone calls. Eduardo Dutra was an amateur musician, industrial chemist, who had a pharmaceutical laboratory, which met on Sunday evenings to make friends, musical meetings. And who was the father Farnesio. Only the Farnesio is famous Brazilian jazz pianist Dick Farney, brother Cyl Farney, the actor of the times of Atlantis and Grande Otelo.

It was an extraordinary surprise. Now, if Eduardo Dutra, when he composed it in 1940 - because he wrote for internal use, not to sell or divulge anything - I think if he knew, 60 years later, that this work would be recorded and distributed worldwide I'm sure he would be very happy. It's a personal satisfaction, and this story is perhaps the most fascinating to me that disk.

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Hi Chris,

Thanks for deciphering it! Arnaldo Cohen speaks English well, but his CD was Brazilian, so I can well understand why the notes were in Portugese.

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It was an extraordinary surprise. Now, if Eduardo Dutra, when he composed it in 1940 - because he wrote for internal use, not to sell or divulge anything - I think if he knew, 60 years later, that this work would be recorded and distributed worldwide I'm sure he would be very happy. It's a personal satisfaction, and this story is perhaps the most fascinating to me that disk.


That was EXACTLY my reason for learning and recording this fine piece of Dutra. I believe that a good many pianists here at PS are delighted to play music composed by unknown or forgotten composers. There are many gems that never see the light of day. I was unaware of the Pierre Feraux recording until posted here, but I would bet that his thinking on recording this piece was very much the same. Of course, Feraux and Cohen, being professional artists, both probably made money from it, but I just enjoyed the personal satisfaction of sharing it with others.

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That was from an interview to the Brazilian service of the BBC. I wonder how he and Feraux solved the question of the royalties? By saying that every effort was made to contact the owners but with little success and that they would be delighted if any eventual owner came forth? This is the usual formula.

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Hi David,
I have enjoyed your performance very much. I didn´t know this lovely piece and composer. I think, it´s played quite rarely. A very romantic and impassioned composition. Though without score I can´t comment on details, I think, you have brought out this spirit of the piece very fine. Your playing is very subtle and expressive! Thank you very much for sharing this little gem.

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Hi Andreas,

Yes, this is a piece of high merit. In listening to the links provided here of the performances by Analdo Cohen and Pierre Feraux, and including my own rendition, there are a few differences, but far more commonalities. I'm sure everyone had the same problem--trying to best serve the composer in playing an unknown score.

I appreciate your kind comments!

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Hi!
I just read everything in a fast way, and one sentence got my attention:

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Only the Farnesio is famous Brazilian jazz pianist Dick Farney, brother Cyl Farney, the actor of the times of Atlantis and Grande Otelo.


I think this sentence is better translated to: "THE THING IS THAT Farnesio is the famous Brazilian jazz pianist..."

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Now, tell us, Luis: do you not think this "Mariangela" is someone who does not exist, a "malandro"? I am sure that who wrote all that is not Brazilian, because that is just not the way a Brazilian would write.

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Sorry, where is this "Mariângela"?

I only saw Mônica Vasconselos' article on BBC website.

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Read these two posts, Luis: the earlier (the first) one is a bit different from the later (second) one. Notice the names: HENRY Oswald, for example.
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Dr. Eduardo D'Utra e Silva, inherited the Laboratory F. Dutra, Fabrizio your father and also the love of letters and arts. Eduardo's father Dick, a pediatrician, philosopher, composer, musician, very cultivated, an expert in wrestling, polyglot, including full fluency in Greek, he studied philosophy devoting himself especially the neo-scholastic. Famous conductor and composer, and very successful entrepreneur also taught to a select group of students, one of the famous students of Eduardo Dutra e Silva, Jack Klein was professor Arnaldo Cohen.
In music he joined the neo-romanticism. He studied music theory with renowned masters, violin with Joaquim Boisson; perfected in piano with Henry Oswald, Barroso Neto and Charley Lachmund.
Eduardo Dutra was a classical composer of great prestige and over the years leading conductors and soloists have performed several of his works, among them Francisco Braga, Henrique Spedini, Ernesto Ronchini Arthur Bosmans, Martinez Degree and recently Arnaldo Cohen recently presented one of his works on his CD released in 2005.
Among the soloists, Mario Neves, Mario de Azevedo, Arnaldo Rebello, Josette Dyla, Isaac Feldman, Peri Machado and others. His works are performed, Concerto in F sharp minor, "ballet - Pantomime" entitled "The Princess of Medinet - el Fayum," five "Preludes", "Orientales" (suite of seven dances of oriental character), "Idyll" Etc. For piano, "Sonata in C minor, twelve" Preludes "and six" Miniatures "(children's suite), five" studies "," Five "Mazurkas" and three "Viennese Waltz" concert, "Three Berceuse" "Concerto No. 2" Piano "Concerto No. 1" for orchestra. Eduardo studied philosophy and theology, many hours a day with equal dedication to music.
As a pediatrician served only children of friends and relatives.
The evenings were frequented by famous artists, musicians, singers and well Cyl Dick and grew in an environment focused on the arts and philosophy.
It is worth noting that all you had to practice wrestling watching Grandpa and his followers and coach
This is part of the book is a biography of Dick Farney.
Mariangela- I am the heir of both, put me to provide further information, thank you and to emphasize that we are thrilled with the comments about the work of Eduardo Dutra.

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Eduardo Dutra, was a composer and scholar of great reputation over the years outstanding conductors and soloists performed several of his works, among them Francisco Braga (was artistic director and conductor of the Orchestra Symphonic Concert Society), Henry Spedini (conductor holder Symphony Orchestra of Theatro Municipal do Rio de Janeiro), by Symphony Orchestra of Rio de Janeiro under the baton of conductor and professor Ernesto Ronchini, conductor Arthur Bosmans, Martinez Degree and recently Arnaldo Cohen recently presented one of his works in his Cd edited in 2005.
Among the soloists, Mario Neves, Mario de Azevedo, Arnaldo Rebello, Dyla Josetti, Isaac Feldman, Peri Machado and others. His works are performed more; Concerto in F sharp minor; "Balet - pantomime" entitled "The Princess of Medinet - el Fayum," five "Preludes", "Orientales" (suite of seven dances of oriental character), "Idyll" Etc. For Piano, "Sonata in C minor; twelve" Preludes "and six" Miniatures "(suite child); five" Studies ";" Five "Mazurkas" and three "Viennese Waltzes"; concert, "Three Berceuses" "Concerto No. 2" for piano and "Concerto No. 1" for orquestra.Arthur Rubinstein presented several pieces and presented Anatoli Kitain Hall Carnigie presented in the composition of Eduardo "Prelude in F Minor." The Orquetra Sinfonica Brasileira presented hundreds of works by Eduardo of which he himself excelled "Prelude for String" and "Concerto for piano and orchestra.
Eduardo studied philosophy, theology and many hours per day with equal dedication to the music, to lecture to a select group of students, with the sole purpose of perfecting them, competent administrator transforms the lab he inherited from his father, one of the most important its segment, and its production successes in various areas combined produce beautiful book.
Eduardo, marries a young socialite Iracema, pianist, artist plastica (traditional society of Alagoas and Rio), had two sons Dick Farney (Farnesio Dutra e Silva) famous conductor, arranger, singer, pianist, actor and presenter and Cyll Farney (Cylleno Dutra e Silva) known film and television actor, entrepreneur, musician.
Eduardo Dutra and devoted himself Suiva follow very diligently to encourage the children in their artistic activities and was the biggest fan of the work they performed, died in 1953 of myocardial infarction fulminat.
I am heiress to Dick Farney and I am available for more information on Dick Farney, Cyll Farney children and the Dutra Dr.Eduardo own Eduardo Dutra.


I asked a conductor from Sao Paulo to look into Eduardo Dutra. The good thing is that he knows people who knew Dick Farney. Let us hope.

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 Post subject: Re: Rare music of Eduardo Dutra: Preludio, Op. 32 in F#m
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Is Dutra so important a composer that we should go this length ? Did he actually compose anything else besides this work (which sounds suspiciously like a piece by some Russian composer) ? The opus number suggests so but I'm starting to feel like this whole Dutra thing is a scam.
No composer can be so obscure that only his Op.32 is known to the world. Either the rest doesn't exist or it is too bad to be remembered.

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The point is another, Chris, and by this time has little to do with the merits or demerits of this composer. I do not like scammers and I would like to see this one exposed. Besides all that, I am not taking too much trouble about it, but since the condictor was here and I was giving him assistance... Why not ask?

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So you think this Mariângela could be cheating us? Is she Brazilian?
You're right, it's difficult to imagine a Brazilian writing HENRY Oswald. Henrique Oswald is such an important composer, and well known, and name translations is usually not done any more (in the past, almost one century ago, Brazilian scholars would write Luís de Beethoven, João Sebastião Bach, José Haydn...). How old is Mariângela?

I had already asked some people in my college who work with Brazilian music. They don't know Eduardo Dutra.
The other problem is that Dutra is a common last name, so there are LOTS OF Eduard Dutras.

But there are things that are in common in these two texts. Did Mariângela write both of them?

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João Sebastião Bach? :shock: How dare you? :x João Sebastião RIBEIRO, if you please! :D

As for the other questions, no one knows the answers.

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Until now I've been silent on the Eduardo Dutra mystery. But now I'll add my two cents worth or conjecture. First, the handwritten inscription on the front cover of the "Preludio", Op. 32 to Neusa Franca signed by Dutra proves, for me at least, that he was a real person. I believe that Dutra's career was his laboratory business but that he also had an intense interest in composing. It's even possible he was able to have some of his music heard in recitals and concerts, although we've seen no printed programs or newspaper clippings that would verify that as fact. I do not doubt that he might have known some important and influential composers, musicians, artists and authors, and might have hosted them at soirees in his home from time to time. We know that he reprinted his own music, possibly because it was his preference, or that his music was not accepted and published as commercial sheet music. There is no doubt that Farnesio, his son, became Dick Farney, a well-known pianist and "crooner" who can be seen performing in several videos at YouTube. I recall in Rubinstein's autobiography My Young Years that he was a friend of Villa Lobos and his family, but I don't remember any reference to Eduardo Dutra.

When Dutra died, probably his wife, Iracema da Silva, might have stored his scores at their home. Where they were private and not published scores, perhaps libraries and archives would not accept them into their collections. When Iracema died, most likely Farnesio had the responsibility and burden of closing the Dutra estate. If there was a will, he probably distributed any bequests accordingly. As for the scores, where "Dick Farney" was into popular music, maybe he didn't share his father's enthusiasm for classical music, did not see value in them from his perspective, so disposed of those scores or at best put them in an attic. That would explain why they no longer seem to be extant.

As for Mariangela, she has mentioned numerous titles of Dutra's piano pieces especially that pique our curiosity, but she has never said where the sheet music may be found in this day and age. I speculate the reason is that she simply doesn't know so cannot be helpful in that regard.

That's my theory.

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Interesting theory. If true, it is a sad story, that almost nothing is left or even known about a composer of some merit. You should try get in touch with Dick Farney's heirs, maybe they can clear out their attic.

But people believe what they want to be believe. Your story contains all these words: possible, no doubt, might, might, possibly, no doubt, probably, most likely, maybe, speculate. It's largely conjecture, in other words.

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But David: there was a younger brother, Cilenio (Cyl Farney) who died in 2003.

You also seem to pass over the fact that if all these pieces have been performed in public - and a ballet of piano concerto cannot be in private, unless one is King - by orchestras that are in existence in theatres that are extant by musicians who are living (and some of those on the list are) there would be some record of it. I wrote to Neusa França on Facebook and through Dib Franciss but received no reply. Pierre Feraux, who plays this piece, knows nothing - and he is a friend of Neusa's. I also wrote to Arnaldo Cohen, with no reply either. An enquiry to the Moreira Salles Institute (to which PS member Alexandre Dias is connected) and that was ignored too. I also notice that Alexandre, who also knows Neusa, does not say anything much.

As for that "biography" of Dick, that is also a fabrication, unless that is also among the non-published works.

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Hi Richard,

Sorry, I neglected to mention Cilenio. But I can say now that had he taken charge of the scores (we don't know that he did), then clearly he never did anything to promote them, or if he did make such an effort, then it it came to naught. This music is not to be found in sheet music stores. My conclusion is that he was no more effective than his brother Farnesio in preserving them. It makes it all the easier to tentatively conclude that those scores probably no longer exist--i.e., they were likely placed in the rubbish. As for the Preludio, Op. 32, it appears to be one happy, isolated, lucky fluke--a piece that made its way into Jacques Klein's library and Neusa Franca's studio. But not one other score so far as we know has met a similar fortuitous fate.

As for public performances of Dutra's music, while Mariangela's statements may be true, we've not seen any hard evidence to support that claim such as printed recital or concert programs or newspaper clippings by music editors or critics. Nor has a conductor, pianist, orchestra musician, musicologist, music teacher, concert goer, friend, acquaintance, or anyone else to date stepped forward to vouch for the great music of Dutra heard in the concert and recital halls of Rio de Janiero. Instead the response to date has been "I never heard of him." If we did have such evidence, then I would be more persuaded; but it still might fail to inform us of the whereabouts of the scores today.

I don't know if Mariangela is a scam or not. She has made numerous statements in two postings and claims to "own" Eduardo Dutra, but efforts to verify many of those "facts" have met a dead end.

I would like nothing better than to be optimistic and hopeful--who would not want to play another Dutra piece as appealing as the Preludio? But to date there has been no solid evidence of an extant treasure trove of scores by Dutra. I'm not trying to be a naysayer, but simply a realist as I consider this very odd situation.

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Hi Chris,

Yes, I used those terms to carefully convey that my theory was conjecture and speculation. Mariangela's postings make for intriguing reading, but we've seen no supporting evidence or heard from anyone else who could vouch for the Dutra narrative. Had I not used words like "probably, possibly, might be, etc.", then I would have been making assertions without any way to prove them. I wanted above all to avoid that perception.

Yes, it's a sad affair to be sure. Probably in his lifetime Dutra should have left very clear instructions in his will as to his wishes in the matter of his music scores upon his death.

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Rachfan wrote:
Hi Chris,

Yes, I used those terms to freely convey that my theory was conjecture and speculation. Mariangela's postings make for intriguing reading, but we've seen no supporting evidence or heard from anyone else who could vouch for the Dutra narrative. Had I not used words like "probably, possibly, might be, etc.", then I would have been making assertions without any way to prove them. I wanted above all to avoid that perception.

Yes, it's a sad affair to be sure. Probably in his lifetime Dutra should have left very clear instructions in his will as to his wises in the matter of his music scores upon his death.

David


Maybe he did and that is why nothing is extant.

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Hi Chris,

Absolutely. Had he called for the destruction of his scores for whatever reason, and if that was dutifully carried out, then it too could explain why they have disappeared.

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I have not seen so much speculation since reading an attempted biography of Scarlatti ;-). Seems like we have discussed Dutra more than many other composers. Time to move on, IMO.

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Hi Richard,

Yes, we cannot rule out that for whatever reason Dutra might have left instructions to destroy his scores.

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Hi Chris,

I'm not adverse to moving on. If someday some hard evidence is unveiled about Dutra's scores, great! But in the meantime all we have now is a mystery and conjectures about it.

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I am moving on. Unless something comes out of my investigations so dar I have finished.

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richard66 wrote:
techneut wrote:
Another gobbledygook spam post from this shady person - cross-posted 4 times in different forums. There really is no point to this. I have removed this person (email address dickfarney@us.com :roll: ) from the forum.


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I am heiress to Dick Farney and I am available for more information on Dick Farney, Cyll Farney children and the Dutra Dr.Eduardo own Eduardo Dutra.


That is the point of it:a scam.


:oops: and again :oops: !

This is information and not conjecture:

    Eduardo Dutra existed
    He had a son called Farnésio
    Farnésio is Dick Farney
    Dick has a living son who is called Eduardo
    His estate is managed by the niece of his second wife who is... Mariangela!

Now if it is this niece who posted or someone else using her name is another thing, still, it seems I owe an apology.

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This horse is truly dead as well :P

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