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 Post subject: Zipoli—my first video
PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:51 am 
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Did I hear that we have videos here on PS? If so, can someone tell me where to find them? I'm trying to go that route myself. Here's a tiny one—I thought I'd present it for your feedback before I get any further into the process.

This is how I'm formatting it for YouTube, but if you need me to change anything about the credits, for example, I can do that.

I also want to point out that this is not exactly authentic because I've done some editing on the midi file. So what you're hearing is not exactly what I played. I actually played a Gershwin Prelude.

OK, not Gershwin. :) But I thought some of you might be interested in what the original midi file sounded like before I did any editing, so I've uploaded that, too.

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Well, I failed to upload the video here because the two file types I tried (mov and m4v) are both being rejected. What file type should I use?

In the meantime, you can see it here, on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_iUHy1oD4s


Zipoli - Fughetta in E minor

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 Post subject: Re: Zipoli—my first video
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Hey Bruce - we don't 'need' you to do anything regarding Youtube. That is strictly your business. Regarding videos - because of Youtube, we don't encourage people to upload videos to our site anymore. However, you are allowed to add Youtube links like what you have already done. Also, if you want people to listen to your audio-only file, then please re-upload it in mp3 format. Thank you! :)

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Got it. Thanks, Monica!

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 Post subject: Re: Zipoli—my first video
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Zipoli was a very capable composer (I've posted some organ works by him) and this fughetta is what I like to call a great little piece.
Very well played, with nice bounce and dynamics. It works surprisingly well on the piano. A shame that is over too soon.

Not sure what you meant about the video credits. I don't think any of our pianists needs to credit PS if they post a YouTube video. We do expect it when
somebody rips a recording not played by themselves though.

I did not hear any difference between the mp3 and the video, except the video seems to have better sound quality.

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 Post subject: Re: Zipoli—my first video
PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 9:04 am 
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Thanks, Chris! I'm so pleased that you like my playing AND the piece.

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. . . with nice bounce and dynamics.


Yeah, quite literally, actually, if you watch the video! I was pretty amused to see how I moved.

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Not sure what you meant about the video credits. I don't think any of our pianists needs to credit PS if they post a YouTube video. We do expect it when
somebody rips a recording not played by themselves though.


This is a misunderstanding on my part. I thought that PS hosts its own videos, and that there might be some standard way of doing the credits.

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I did not hear any difference between the mp3 and the video, except the video seems to have better sound quality.


I actually spent considerable time editing the dynamics. This is a new process for me, and I'm still always questioning its value, and when I was done, I thought to myself, Bruce you're a fraud. This is not an authentic performance because of all the doctoring.

Then I Iistened to the original unedited midi and was relieved to hear that it was actually pretty good from the start—the changes I had made were fairly minor.

So there was a self-esteem issue going on for me. And then I decided to post the unedited recording in case some of the other members were interested.

Anyway, since PS won't be hosting this as a video, here's the audio file I'd like you to use.

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 Post subject: Re: Zipoli—my first video
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Sorry, but I do take issue with 'fixing' dynamics. I have gotten criticized for my lack of dynamics many times, and I sometimes argue back that the fault lies in my recorder, not my playing (I feel that all the dynamics are not fully captured). However, on the other side of that, getting told often that I'm not playing with all the dynamics has made me think about that A LOT, and I think I have actually improved that part of my playing (at least when I remember to concentrate on the dynamics :oops: :wink:) . So you see, I have had to work, and continue to work on improving this aspect of my playing, but really that is the way it should be. I would not feel right about using technology to do all this for me. And then also, one cannot 'tweak' dynamics when playing in public, so one should be able to play with dynamics for real!

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 Post subject: Re: Zipoli—my first video
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pianolady wrote:
Sorry, but I do take issue with 'fixing' dynamics. I have gotten criticized for my lack of dynamics many times, and I sometimes argue back that the fault lies in my recorder, not my playing (I feel that all the dynamics are not fully captured). However, on the other side of that, getting told often that I'm not playing with all the dynamics has made me think about that A LOT, and I think I have actually improved that part of my playing (at least when I remember to concentrate on the dynamics :oops: :wink:) . So you see, I have had to work, and continue to work on improving this aspect of my playing, but really that is the way it should be. I would not feel right about using technology to do all this for me. And then also, one cannot 'tweak' dynamics when playing in public, so one should be able to play with dynamics for real!

I second that. Cutting out a flunked passage we've come to accept (I do that a lot, to be honest), fiddling with dynamics is over the limit. Though I'd be surprised if this was not done with commercial CD's - some dynamics you hear there are just improbable....

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 Post subject: Re: Zipoli—my first video
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I second that. Cutting out a flunked passage we've come to accept (I do that a lot, to be honest), fiddling with dynamics is over the limit.

I cut out bad parts too, but yes - it's the dynamics thing that I also think is over the limit. When I hear a recording made on a digital keyboard these days, I pay attention only to correct notes and rhythm. I certainly won't comment on dynamics because I can't trust that the player actually played them or instead just 'fixed' them, because I understand that it's easy to do with digitals.

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 Post subject: Re: Zipoli—my first video
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Cutting out a flunked passage we've come to accept (I do that a lot, to be honest), fiddling with dynamics is over the limit.


I'd go so far as to say adjusting dynamics is out of the question. In this case, why don't we just all twiddle with electronic simulations of performances on a computer and pass them off as our own? Sure, it'll sound slicker to the untutored ear but these "professional" commercial recordings of today sound way over processed to me. Pollini is an example of someone whose recordings don't sound technically anything like his live performances. The only similarity is that I find it painfully boring in both venues. I also do some editing, particularly to cut in sections in long pieces when there is a mistake, but I'm beginning to agree more and more with David that's it's best not to edit performances at all and that things start to sound a bit careful and artificial when passages are cut in. Personally, I wouldn't care about mistakes, as long as it didn't become an overriding issue, if it didn't seem like everyone else cared so damn much.

Anyway, this piece I find about as important as a buffalo chip in the scheme of things. Why play it when you can play Bach, Scarlatti, or Handel? Regarding the playing, I'd say it's slick but also rather prissy and mannered. Baroque music doesn't need that. Also, in a video, I find such self-conscious face-making and gesticulating unnecessary at best and gauche at worst.

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 Post subject: Re: Zipoli—my first video
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You've all raised some interesting points, stuff I've thought about a lot. I have to say I find myself on the defensive here, which is never fun, but here goes.

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So you see, I have had to work, and continue to work on improving this aspect of my playing, but really that is the way it should be . . . one should be able to play with dynamics for real!


Hey—this stings a bit, Monica. I too have worked hard at improving my dynamics and am pretty darned good at it. If you listen to the unedited file I uploaded, you'll hear that there's not much difference in the before and after. And I attached it to make that very point.

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And then also, one cannot 'tweak' dynamics when playing in public


And when I play in public, I don't. But creating a recording can be—if you and your listeners wish it to be—a different sort of creative act altogether. As in making a feature film, for example, you can blend the spontaneous with the highly edited. Obviously, this isn't just my opinion.

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'Cutting out a flunked passage we've come to accept (I do that a lot, to be honest), fiddling with dynamics is over the limit. '


I don't get it, Chris. Why is it more of a sin to miss a dynamic and fix it, than to play a wrong note (and fix it)? I think it would be just as easy to make the argument the other way. What is absolutely genuine in my recording is the rhythmic continuity, because it was all one take. If you cut and paste in other takes, you're (potentially) messing with the rhythmic flow and sweep, and what's more sacred than that? (I was smiling a bit as I wrote that, because I was thinking of that signature quote at the bottom of all your posts.)

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"Also, in a video, I find such self-conscious face-making and gesticulating unnecessary at best and gauche at worst."


Joe, did you think I was consciously adding in those movements and facial expressions? Nothing could be farther from the truth. The truth is, were I to try to repress those motions and those expressions, that would be self-conscious.

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"Anyway, this piece I find about as important as a buffalo chip in the scheme of things. Why play it when you can play Bach, Scarlatti, or Handel?"


I can't believe you mean that. Would you like us all to limit our repertoire to the top tier of composers only? There's no composer I revere more than Bach, for example, but some of his works leave me cold. I take any composer's works on a piece by piece basis, and this piece by Zipoli has always thrilled me.

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 Post subject: Re: Zipoli—my first video
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Bruce Siegel wrote:
Hey—this stings a bit, Monica. I too have worked hard at improving my dynamics and am pretty darned good at it. If you listen to the unedited file I uploaded, you'll hear that there's not much difference in the before and after. And I attached it to make that very point.


Sorry, Bruce. I did not mean to imply that you cannot play with dynamics. Only that I have to work at being better with dynamics because I will not 'fix' them with editing. I don't think anyone should, that's all.

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Thanks, Monica. I do appreciate that clarification.

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 Post subject: Re: Zipoli—my first video
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Joe, did you think I was consciously adding in those movements and facial expressions? Nothing could be farther from the truth. The truth is, were I to try to repress those motions and those expressions, that would be self-conscious.


OK, then read it without "self-conscious." In my view, that makes it all the worse since that seems to imply it's an uncontrollable habit. In any event, it wouldn't in any way affect my opinion that it's unnecessary and distracting to look at. As Vladimir Horowitz once approximately said in reference to face-making in modern piano-playing, "I don't do those things. Music comes out through the finger, not in the face."

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I can't believe you mean that. Would you like us all to limit our repertoire to the top tier of composers only? There's no composer I revere more than Bach, for example, but some of his works leave me cold. I take any composer's works on a piece by piece basis, and this piece by Zipoli has always thrilled me.


Good for you! But to be honest, that's not what I meant, nor is it literally what my statement says above, which is limited to this particular piece. Personally, a good 95% of the time I can see why certain composers have fallen by the wayside and others have become part of the main canon. History tends to be pretty fair in its sifting. Not that it's completely fair, and that I don't think certain things deserve to be higher and certain lower. And it seems a redundancy for me to say this is only my opinion. Both you and I know it is. Great that you love this piece. I don't, and that's really all I meant.

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Bruce Siegel wrote:
I don't get it, Chris. Why is it more of a sin to miss a dynamic and fix it, than to play a wrong note (and fix it)? I think it would be just as easy to make the argument the other way. What is absolutely genuine in my recording is the rhythmic continuity, because it was all one take. If you cut and paste in other takes, you're (potentially) messing with the rhythmic flow and sweep, and what's more sacred than that? (I was smiling a bit as I wrote that, because I was thinking of that signature quote at the bottom of all your posts.)
I'll grant you half a point there. However this is the line that we draw, rather arbitrarily I admit. Seeing that getting the notes right is only the beginning, a means rather than an end, it seems to me more acceptable to 'mess' with the notes than to fiddle with the dynamics. But actually if I miss a note I redo that section and cut out the flunked one. I don't believe that ever messes up the rhythm or sweep. Very occasionally it has lead to a tempo difference, which is most always a reason for me to re-record the entire thing, rather than fixing it by other means.
I shudder to think what could be the next step after manipulating the dynamics... Change the tempo, insert pauses, cut out hesitations before jumps, add rubato ? The possibilities seem endless. As Joe says, that road leads in a direction we don't want to go.

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Joe, did you think I was consciously adding in those movements and facial expressions? Nothing could be farther from the truth. The truth is, were I to try to repress those motions and those expressions, that would be self-conscious.
Many people pull faces or make arcane movements while playing. Nothing bad here - though I found your final gesture, the looking-away, a bit over the top. It reminded me of our dear Sandro Bisotti :P The playing itself I found not at all affected.

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I can't believe you mean that. Would you like us all to limit our repertoire to the top tier of composers only? There's no composer I revere more than Bach, for example, but some of his works leave me cold. I take any composer's works on a piece by piece basis, and this piece by Zipoli has always thrilled me.
I side with you on this one. Joe does give the impression, though he may not mean it quite like that, of having no truck with any composers outside the top league. I see the point but I'm glad I (like so many others) don't subscribe to it. I say hail to those who bring us unknown and lesser stuff and not just more Bach, Chopin, Schubert and Mozart.

Wow, that such a small and "unimportant" piece could spark such a lively discussion :D

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Many people pull faces or make arcane movements while playing. Nothing bad here,


Thanks for that! I'm glad to hear that I don't look that crazy.

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though I found your final gesture, the looking-away, a bit over the top


I was pretty surprised to see that head-pivot myself! Funny what we (or I, anyway) will do in the heat of musical passion.

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I was pretty surprised to see that head-pivot myself! Funny what we (or I, anyway) will do in the heat of musical passion.


Ewww, yuck, don't say that. It grosses me out. But anyway, this is up. :lol:

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pianolady wrote:
Bruce Siegel wrote:
I was pretty surprised to see that head-pivot myself! Funny what we (or I, anyway) will do in the heat of musical passion.


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Ewww, yuck, don't say that. It grosses me out.


You mean "head-pivot"? Does it make you think of the Exorcist? :D

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But anyway, this is up.


Thanks, Monica! After all the controversy I seem to have raised, I wasn't sure it would find a home here.

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Monica, I notice that you put up the unedited version. Did you mean to do that?

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Bruce Siegel wrote:
You mean "head-pivot"? Does it make you think of the Exorcist?


No, I actually meant the 'heat of musical passion' thing. Ick! I don't like seeing someone do that...Image :lol:


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Monica, I notice that you put up the unedited version. Did you mean to do that?
Don't know....I did delete two files but I thought they were the same.

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In the matter of dynamics, I find that in recording a piece in one continuous take, it's imperative that I give careful attention to dynamics. Of course, this comes down to the musician listening to himself in performance. Should I fail, then another take is the order of the day. I've heard attempts at editing dynamics, and it rarely sounds like the real deal. When I hear that on a commercial CD, it seems especially artificial despite the electronic wizardry. And when the recording engineer goes so far as to "enhance" the dynamic of a very difficult-to-voice middle line in a phrase, it's downright annoying! Yes, I know it's "old school" thinking; but when I record a piece, even if there are a few fluffs, I derive a far greater sense of accomplishment and satisfaction than if I were sitting in front of Audacity tinkering and transfiguring the real into the unreal. In this world, there is already too much that's unreal without my adding to it. Worse yet, I would know that I had not been true to myself and my art, such as it is.

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Seeing that getting the notes right is only the beginning, a means rather than an end


I think that's a good way of putting it (the end in this case I'm assuming to be the interpretation). Wrong notes just are what they are, a mathematical reality like errors in binary code. But when someone starts tampering with interpretation, it's like they're not even playing any more but rather adjusting how they'd like to be playing. A fine line maybe, but a dangerous one IMO. Just given modern expectations, I find myself often overly concerned about accuracy, a wrong note sometimes seeming to be an unfortunate blot on an otherwise decent performance, which prompts me to resort to editing. Still, I have to reiterate that I admire David's approach (with the exception of the obtrusively noticeable page turns :lol: ). It's what I really hope to do with future stuff, no editing except the reverb and other post-processing tweaking of course, even if that means working extra hard, doing more than just a couple of takes, or putting up with a wrong note or two.

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Many people pull faces or make arcane movements while playing. Nothing bad here


Well I know I seem to be in the minority on this issue nowadays, but why, I still wonder... Why, in other words, do anything that's obviously unnecessary and doesn't directly serve the music? As if to say, "Look at me, look at how into this I am!" Well if someone really is into it and doing something interesting, it will come across naturally without that. And if it really isn't self-serving, I stand corrected, but then it just seems like a bad habit of which one should disabuse oneself. To me, it's a bit akin to a ballet dancer who starts flailing her arms for no apparent reason. In art, I believe economy of motion should be the rule. Call me old-fashioned, but I'd say a pianist should look like a gentleman, not a circus freak, during a performance.

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I side with you on this one. Joe does give the impression, though he may not mean it quite like that, of having no truck with any composers outside the top league. I see the point but I'm glad I (like so many others) don't subscribe to it. I say hail to those who bring us unknown and lesser stuff and not just more Bach, Chopin, Schubert and Mozart.


Well I did and I didn't mean it like that :P It is true that here I was really only referring to this specific piece. And I would also agree that those who want to revive lesser-known works, all power to them. That said, however, Chris has hit the nail on the head that I don't often find much merit in such composers' oeuvres. My reasoning is this: why play rather unsatisfying (to me of course :) ), even if somewhat superficially appealing, music when life is short and there are still so many fabulous pieces in the primary repertoire that I have only read through, learned cursorily, or not learned at all (Moscheles for me is one exception; I've always liked his work and can see why Chopin did too). To be frank, I must say that I suspect one reason why some people tend to play minor composers' work is to try to avoid the criticism that is more likely with playing more standard repertoire, even though I doubt, even if I'm right, that such people would admit it. It's akin to the academician who writes a dissertation on a fifth-rate poet simply for the sake of putting on the emperor's new clothes and carving out a "niche," even though, if critics often weren't so spinelessly imitative of their peers, they would realize there are still a virtually unlimited number of things to say about Shakespeare or Milton. The wonderful thing about Bach, Chopin, Schubert, and Mozart, it seems to me, is their depth: they lend themselves to a richness and variation in interpretation that the more minor ones don't. But again, only my two cents, and admittedly perhaps it's that I haven't discovered the wonders of Zipoli, knowing effectively nothing about him. It was just a gut reaction on my part to this one short piece that I'd never heard before.


Anyway, I didn't mean to offend, Bruce, and despite my opinionated artistic reservations, I don't think anyone could say this isn't very capable playing.

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On the matter of page turns, I'm toying with the idea of posting here only short works and trifles devoid of page turns, while posting larger works requiring page turns at the other site, as there are never complaints about page turns there. That way I can keep two separate audiences happy. It does seem like a clever solution. :wink:

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pianolady wrote:
I did delete two files but I thought they were the same.


I know—I did make things rather confusing for you! Sorry about that. Here's the better version, the one I'd really like our visitors to enjoy:

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@Joe - I'm one of those who like to explore unfamiliar composers' music too. Yes, I also play the 'usual suspects' except when it comes to sonatas. Since we're being so honest around here :wink: - I will tell you that I don't listen to ALL of your recordings because you play mostly the old guys and their sonatas. I am so bored with many of these! It's nothing against your playing; you play very well. I just like listening to shorter pieces by familiar composers or unfamiliar composers. I need variety!!

And btw - did you guys know that Paderewski practiced with a mirror on the piano desk so he could be sure his face was expressionless? Interesting.... :wink: (I really like him :lol: )

@Bruce - I'll take care of replacing the file tomorrow - I'm too tired now.

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@Joe - I'm one of those who like to explore unfamiliar composers' music too. Yes, I also play the 'usual suspects' except when it comes to sonatas. Since we're being so honest around here - I will tell you that I don't listen to ALL of your recordings because you play mostly the old guys and their sonatas. I am so bored with many of these! It's nothing against your playing; you play very well. I just like listening to shorter pieces by familiar composers or unfamiliar composers. I need variety!!


I know, Monica, and I think that's absolutely fine. To each his or her own. Maybe it's just me, that I've been so steeped in the standard repertory and still feel I need to learn and explore that...so maybe it's my own limitation. Incidentally, do you know anything of Ignaz Moscheles (who I mentioned above as one of my exceptions of lesser-known composers)? Chopin typically used Moscheles etudes to prepare students for his own etudes. That's a composer I really like, displaying IMO a combination of Schubertian texture and ambience as well as a virile, devil-may-care side. I hope to submit a couple of his etudes here in the not so distant future and even volunteer in advance to write a bio if you or Chris deem it worthy of its own page :wink:

Yeah, I've been in a bit of a sonata spate of late, but my next project I'm working on is the Chopin preludes and Scriabin Op. 11 preludes, and especially regarding the Chopin, it's possible you and many others will have much to say there and probably much of it not good :P

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did you guys know that Paderewski practiced with a mirror on the piano desk so he could be sure his face was expressionless? Interesting.... (I really like him )


That's amazing, Monica. Going a bit far, don't you think?

What I've been trying to avoid as I play is not expressions, but facial tension. I made videos of the Vandall pieces I uploaded a week ago. I love them except for one thing: I was jutting my lower jaw way out and can't bear to look at them.

So (and Joe, you might be interested to know this), when I made the Zipoli video I kept reminding myself to do two things: sit up straight (because I tend to slouch), and relax my jaw. And, I've made some progress with both, I'm happy to say!

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@Bruce - I'll take care of replacing the file tomorrow - I'm too tired now.


Sounds great. Thanks!

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Anyway, I didn't mean to offend, Bruce, and despite my opinionated artistic reservations, I don't think anyone could say this isn't very capable playing.


Thanks, Joe, I appreciate that.

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And btw - did you guys know that Paderewski practiced with a mirror on the piano desk so he could be sure his face was expressionless? Interesting.... (I really like him )


I missed this bit before...very interesting and did not know that. Well I guess Leschetitszky (probably didn't spell that right, but too lazy to look it up :lol: ) always described Paderewski as one of his weaker students, but he did always seem dignified at the piano at the very least, though that hair is a bit offputting for my taste :P

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Ok, Bruce, the file is replaced. And no I don't think what Paderewski did was going too far. On the contrary. I believe it was his mother who told him to practice with the mirror. Maybe he had that "showing musical passion" disease and he needed a cure. :lol: I hope it worked for him - I've never heard otherwise, and everything I've read about Paderewski was that he was a gentleman and extremely intelligent.

Joe - no, I have not heard any of Moscheles music, so I look forward to hearing some from you. Back to Paderewski - yes, that hair was a little wild, but I don't care - he was very handsome anyway - I'm sure I would be one of the swooning ladies at his concert. And besides, a man's smarts and/or talent turns me on more than his looks. Also did you know that Paderewski was good friends with my other love Granados? IIRC, Padereswki attended Granados' last concert in New York, after which Granados attempted to travel back to Europe but drowned. Paderewski was one of the friends who soon after put together a memorial concert in Granados' honor. Ohhh, I'm going to cry now....

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It's also worth noting that Paderewski was Prime Minister of Poland in 1919. He's buried in Arlington National Cemetery in Washington, DC.

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Can't even remember what this thread was about now...... :twisted:

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Ok, Bruce, the file is replaced.

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I believe it was his mother who told him to practice with the mirror. Maybe he had that "showing musical passion" disease and he needed a cure.

I, for one, hope never to be cured of it, and would not like to meet his mother! :D

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Paderewski was Prime Minister of Poland in 1919. He's buried in Arlington National Cemetery in Washington, DC.

Now that you mention it, I do remember about him being president. I suspect that being able to keep a poker face helped him as a politician. :D

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The poker face probably kept his adversaries guessing. In those days he was known as "The Lion of Poland". That probably arose from the red shock of hair on his head.

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The poker face probably kept his adversaries guessing. In those days he was known as "The Lion of Poland". That probably arose from the red shock of hair on his head.

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That's interesting. I still think a man (or woman) is much more attractive playing piano without making faces or moving around than a player who does. Also, I make a mistake - it was not Paderewski's mother who told him to practice with a mirror. I'm getting my stories screwed up. I actually don't think anyone told him to do this - he did it on his own accord.

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Hi Monica,

I agree with you that mannerisms generally can only detract from performance, no matter who the pianist is. If the energy diverted to mannerisms could be re-channeled into the performance itself, the artistic result would likely be better. I dislike grimaces, high hand tosses, swaying, looking up at the ceiling in poetic moments, etc. None of these things contribute any value from what I've been able to observe and hear over the years. The reason is that the pianist is bifurcating or dividing attention between execution and mannerisms, so something has to suffer and it's usually performance. I'm a believer in poise at the piano with the entire playing mechanism aimed at achieving economy of motions to the extent feasible. I don't do videos, but if I did, you'd probably be reminded of Jorge Bolet at the piano--all business and no extraneous movements whatsoever.

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That´s very well played, Bruce. An interpretation with much of life and musicality. Bravo! I also have very much enjoyed your video on YouTube and I have sent you a friend-invitation there.

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Thanks so much, Andreas!

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