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Ok - done. Sounded as beautiful as the others.

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Hello all,

I prefer this new recording to my previous one. I improved my rhythm here and there. And it sounds better. I hope that you will enjoy it and would like much that it replaces my previous one. :roll:


Schubert - Moments Musicaux, Op.94, No. 2 "Andantino"


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Ok, I've replaced this, Didier. The play time is exactly the same as the previous version.

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Tkank you, Monica! :)

Yes, the same play time: I have this tempo in the blood. :lol:


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Hi Didier,
this is very musically and expressively played, with much sensation like we are used of you. And the sound-quality and touch is splendid.
There are some (few) mostly rhythmically issues I would like to mention:
in bar 5 you hold the last chord too long, I think.
Has your edition no c flat in the upper voice in the bars 4 and 5? In my Henle-edition it's an octave c flat on the second last chord in bar 4 and 5. The same in bar 39, 40 and 79, 80.
Don' t you want to play a bit more the staccato-points in bar 18 following or do you consider them as hand-points?
In bar 45 the second note you play like an eigth, but it's a quarter-note.

I really like your rubati, especially in bar 34, 73, in bar 47 you become a bit more lifely (faster) with the sixteenth, in bar 88 and similar places you make wonderfully hesitations in the upper-voice, which brings interpretative colour in your performance. At the begining and similar places it's a very beautiful silence in tempo and rubati (agogic).

In summary a great performance (with small rhyhtmic imperfections), which proves a player with romantic sense behind the piano.

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Achieving that "romantic sense" behind Schubert's music is very important indeed. As a composer (not unlike Beethoven's evolution in his late period), Schubert stood with one foot in Viennese Classicism with the other foot in the onset of early Romanticism. Thus he was truly a transitional composer moving toward the latter style of musical expression. I think that's what makes his music so remarkable.

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Thank you very much Andreas for your detailed report from your listening and your kind words. Much useful and encouraging to me. I well agree with you about my mistakes on bars 5 and 45. I may have wanted to compensate at bar 5 for the dotted quarter instead of the doted half note played by Radu Lupu in its Decca recording (nonetheless my preferred version within the numerous ones that I have listened to) and the in-between duration chord played by Emil Gillels at the 1970 Salzburger Festspiele (Orfeo CD). Anyway I well remembered that I counted from 1 to 9 while I should have stopped to 6, what I used to do previously when I was counting. :? When I listened to my recording, I found that this stangely long chord was interesting... :roll:
The eigth instead of the quarter at bar 45 is a recurring mistake. Thank you again for pointing it out!
Yes I have a c flat at bars 4 and 5. My ears are not accurate and I cannot check on the piano at this time but I think that it is what I played. Am I wrong? :oops:

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Don' t you want to play a bit more the staccato-points in bar 18

Most performers don't. Maria Joa Pires did (DG) and it is awful... I consider them as a kind of accents.:?:

I just listened your 4 hand interpretation of the Fifth Symphony from Beethoven on Youtube, which I enjoyed a lot. For sure, you rhythm sense is much more developed that mine! :wink:
(By the way, I looked just after at the performance by the Berliner Philharmoniker conducted by Karajan, filmed by Clouzot. I must get this DVD!)


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Yes I have a c flat at bars 4 and 5. My ears are not accurate and I cannot check on the piano at this time but I think that it is what I played. Am I wrong? :oops:


No, but you play only one c flat instead of an octave. That's sure.

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Don' t you want to play a bit more the staccato-points in bar 18

Most performers don't. Maria Joa Pires did (DG) and it is awful... I consider them as a kind of accents.:?:


I understand this. I think, I wouldn't play the staccato, too.

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I just listened your 4 hand interpretation of the Fifth Symphony from Beethoven on Youtube, which I enjoyed a lot.


Thank you for the compliment. :D

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(By the way, I looked just after at the performance by the Berliner Philharmoniker conducted by Karajan, filmed by Clouzot. I must get this DVD!)


I would like to have this, too, but I have the audio-recording of Karajan conducting Beethovens Fith. I dislike his tempi, which often are too fast for my taste.

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Hello,

I corrected (most of ?) my mistakes. I hope that you will enjoy this recording because I made a particular effort to get it right. I displaced the piano to get the sound axis aligned with the long axis of the room. The sound is better but it's nearly impossible to walk around the piano. :wink:


Schubert - Op.94 D780, Moments Musicaux, 2. Andantino


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Hi Didier,
congratulations, this is really the best version until know, but there still are some little things, which could be improved:
1) the dotted rhythm at some places is to short (I mean the first note with the dot), f.ex.
2) You sometimes forget the melody tone in places like f.ex. bar 4, 5 and 6: c-flat in the upper voice is missing (it always concerns the upper tone on the sixteenth after the dotted eigth).
3) Three bars before the first a-major-part you don´t pay attention to the holding-bow on d-fat.
4) on the last chord (d-flat-major) before the f-sharp-minor-part there is too few of the third (f)
5) Very interesting that you play the staccato-points in the f-sharp-minor-part at the beginning. I always take pedal here and consider them just as "hand-points". I think, one shouldn´t hear them, but it sounds interesting.
6) bar12-19 of the second as-flat-major part the rhythm in the left hand is wrong:the dotted rhythm here mostly is too fast, that means the sixteenth-note comes too early, first in the bass (e-flat) than in the upper voice (e-flat).
7) the fourth and fifth bar of the second f-sharp-minor-part: here you forget the a in the upper-voice on each last sixteenth of both bars. In this part you play the staccato-notes like I do, btw (that means not audible).


I hope, my tips help you. I like your performance as usual very much, because you play so sensitively, expressively and with much soul. And the sound-quality of your recordings is the non-plus-ultra for me. It´s so clear as if I would be directly with my ear on the cabinet of your grand-piano. I think, your recordings have the most natural sound-quality on this site. Do you add any reverb or equalizer? Explain me more about the replacing of your piano. I didn´t get that completely. What dou you mean with "long axis"?

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Very expressively played. I liked your clean and intimate sound.


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Very intimately played indeed, and I like it very much that way.
In some spots, however, a bit less rubato would improve the performance even more.


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Thank you all for taking time for listening to this and for your kind comments.

Special thanks to Andreas for his detailed ans so accurate report. I am much confused about 2) because you already pointed this out at my previous recording and I paid much attention to it. At least during the first takes... Then my attention should have been drawn by other issues. I'm so sorry... Anyway be sure that your remarks are much valuable to me ! Regarding 4), it was not intentional. :? But I found afterwards that it could have been! :wink:

My room is approximately 9.5 m x 4.5 m and the piano is in a corner:

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This is a rather bad placement for recording but the most practical for the activities other than playing piano usual in a living room. For this recording I oriented the piano so that the longer axis of the room be perpendicular to lid. The best for the sound but absolutely non-practical for every day life.

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Yes there is EQ for taming low frequency resonances and a bit of harshness in the 2kHz - 5 kHz band. Yes there is reverberation to give space that a so short distance recording, mandatory in such a room, cannot give.


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Ok, this is replaced.

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Thank you, Didier, for your interesting and informative reply with the pictures.

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My previous version is only 3 months old but I am in vacation now and could spend some days to work on this beloved piece.

Schubert - Moment Musical No. 2 in A-flat major


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Ok, Didier - this is replaced.

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Hi Monica,

I just downloaded the file from the link above and I got the old version, the duration of which is 6'01", while the new one has duration 6'26". I'm going to check what happens if I download from the Schubert section.

PS The duration indicated for my recording in the Moments musicaux page was well changed to 6'26" but it is still the previous 6'01" version. Here attached the new 6'26" version that I uploaded previously.


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I am very sorry, Didier - I have tried a few different things in an attempt to replace the file and it is not working. Maybe there is some kind of write-protect thing on it; I just don't know....:? I do have your current recording on my computer. I will ask Chris to help me.

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That's a gorgeous Steingraeber. What model? 8)

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pianolady wrote:
I am very sorry, Didier - I have tried a few different things in an attempt to replace the file and it is not working. Maybe there is some kind of write-protect thing on it; I just don't know....:? I do have your current recording on my computer. I will ask Chris to help me.

I'm not sure what happened here but there were two versions of the file on the server, one having a dot too many in the filename (I once more recommend double-checking the filename before uploading !). Also they had different file permissions, which I don't understand. Anyway I have removed the old stuff and re-uploaded the file. Should be ok now.

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I have checked that it is allright now. Thank you Monica and Chris.


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techneut wrote:
I'm not sure what happened here but there were two versions of the file on the server, one having a dot too many in the filename (I once more recommend double-checking the filename before uploading !). Also they had different file permissions, which I don't understand. Anyway I have removed the old stuff and re-uploaded the file. Should be ok now.


I swear, there are no 'two dots', extra dashes, or extra spaces on my file names. And yes - I am wearing my glasses! :wink: Oh well, thank you for the help.

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pianolady wrote:
I swear, there are no 'two dots', extra dashes, or extra spaces on my file names. And yes - I am wearing my glasses! :wink: Oh well, thank you for the help.

Never mind how much you swear, there were these two files

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schubert-94-2-brest..mp3
schubert-94-2-brest.mp3


on the server. They were the same in size (so the same recording most probably) but different in permissions (which probably would make no difference for site or forum users). You must at some stage have had the double-dot version on your computer, as no dots get magically added in the process. But not to worry, these things happen.

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I'm still swearing....

See? One dot. And there is only one explanation....(aliens!)

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pianolady wrote:
See? One dot. And there is only one explanation....(aliens!)

Yes, they're out to get you again. But that's ok, you're not really paranoid :wink:

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At least I am right! (ok, end of discussion - I win - sorry, Didier)

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pianolady wrote:
At least I am right! (ok, end of discussion - I win - sorry, Didier)

There are two rules on PS:

1) Monica is always right.
2) In the unlikely case Monica has it wrong, rule 1) applies.

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Hi Didier,
wow, that´s sounds much better than all your versions before. You are improving more and more. Your rhythmic steadiness is quite perfect now!!! :!:
There only stay a few things to do, which you also will master, I´m sure:
bar 6 and 7: you play e-flat-major instead of e-flat-minor. (I know it´s only here e-flat-minor, at the parallel passages it´s always e-flat-major. The devil seems truely to be in the detail, isn´t it? :wink: )
bar 7 with pickup in the second as-major-part: you play a couple of wrong notes here respective you let out some notes of the chords.
bar 17-20 of the second as-major-part: you drop sometimes the e-flat in the bass-voice.
bar 5 of the second f-sharp-minor-part: the last sixteenth has an a in the upper voice, which is an important part of the melody. It´s not audible in your recording. I just mention this, because the melody sounds so unusual at this place (for those people, who know it very well).
Again in the last four bars you drop sometimes the e-flat in the bass voice.

If you would like to use your vacations for to do further improved versions I will give you some detailed tips on them.

You play this with a great musicality. I´m deeply impressed and I love this as much as the wonderful sound-quality of this recording. Did you choose any effect of Bricasti M7, btw?

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Thanks. It's lovely to look at and listen to! :wink:

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I love this piece and I can tell that you do too.The return of the second subject is one of the most desperate moments in the piano repertoire for me and I can never resist the temptation to play it fortissimo even though my edition has it marked forte.I feel inspired by your playing here to make a recording of it just as soon as I have some spare time.


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My God! I've played a so long time this major chord instead of the minor one...:oops:
Thank you very much Andreas for detecting this mistake.

I took care on trying to play all the notes in the chords, but there are so many.... :wink:

Many thanks for your very accurate listening, your kind words and your help proposal. I worked hard on this piece during several days. I can't proceed any more for the moment. For changing, I just started a piece from Bach, the score of which I received on yesterday, from USA because I found it on Internet only here despite it is from an European publisher. Don't ask which one, it's a surprise. :wink:

For the reverb, it's set from Acousticas M7 Berlin hall, less opulent, so clearer, than Vienna, Amsterdam, Worchester, etc. In SIR, the stetch is set to 67%, the predelay to 20 ms and the wet level to -25 dB.


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I love this piece and I can tell that you do too.The return of the second subject is one of the most desperate moments in the piano repertoire for me and I can never resist the temptation to play it fortissimo even though my edition has it marked forte.I feel inspired by your playing here to make a recording of it just as soon as I have some spare time


Hi,

I did not see your post when I posted my answer to Andreas. Yes the return of the second subject is poignancy. My score also incates f. I may have listen too much Radu Lupu here. Arrau, Fischer,Nat, and Serkin for instance did not play a so large dynamic contrast. Thank you for this comment that will make me think further to my interpretation while waiting with much interest for listening to your one.


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Hi,

I came back to this piece 2 months ago. Here attached the result of my work. I think that it is better than my previous version currently available from PS and I hope that you will enjoy it.

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I'm not sure this is better than the existing version. This new one seems more rhythmically distorted, with tempi fluctuating wildly and bars made longer or shorter for no apparent reason. Have you ever tried playing this with a metronome, if only to get a feel of how long the notes should be ? Alternatively, listening back whilst tapping out all the nine eights in a bar ? I believe that one should be able to first play in strict time before applying rubato. Both
versions suffer equally from inaudible/missing notes in the RH chords.

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Hi Chris,

I am really sure that it is better, especially rhythmically. For instance, the pattern dotted quarter - eighth - quarter - long, which is much present this piece, is much better as shown by the attached clip 1 where I have juxtaposed the first two bars from the old version, the new one and the recording by Koroliov for Tacet.
In my first version, the quarter is too short with respect to the eighth.

The attached clip 2 shows an instability at the beginning of the second theme in the old version, which has disappeared in the new one.

Did you note also that I maintain the tempo in the f passage while there is a rush in the old version where the eighth chords are replaced by quarter chords ?


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Yes these dotted figures are better now, at least most or many or them. However I found the rhythm and tempo distortions here far more worrying than in the previous. There is just no pules to it. Please do me that favor, try play it once with a metronome. Forget about interpretation and feeling, just focus on keeping in sync with it. It will be tedious and confronting but I believe you need to go through this torture before you can get a piece right. Any teacher
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Also, I would not replace the existing recording until you also make all of the RH notes audible.

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For this second version, I paid more attention to make sound all the notes in the choral parts.

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I do not understand what this means. Perhaps that it is too slow ? I agree that my 7'10" performance is on the slow side, but only 15" longer than Koroliov, within a few seconds on par with Arrau in 1956 or Uchida, and much faster than Feltsman (8'37").


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Haha pules, I meant pulse :)
No I don't mind it being slow. That's an interpretational choice. What I was trying to say that it is very irregular, as if Schubert had written bars of different meter and indicated different tempi, both of which he did not. But you have listened to a number of performances which I haven't. If these fine pianists do something similar then you are excused. Still seems to me you are studiously avoiding the metronome though :)

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Still seems to me you are studiously avoiding the metronome though :)


Not at all. Please, could you listen to the attached recording ? Does it sound so different from what I am submitting ? :wink:


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Sounds a lot better actually :D But you still need to count... You play bar 5 as if it were a 12/8 bar, and in the last but one bar you drop a beat. Some of the dotted figures near are awkwardly rushed, the last note played as if it were a sixteenth. Can your metronome count groups, i.e. give a stronger tick on every first beat ?

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For this second version, I paid more attention to make sound all the notes in the choral parts.

I don't seem to hear much difference. Maybe my ears are on the way out, and you play them so delicately that I just can't hear them.
The rhythmic distortions are the same always, I don't think you are going to improve here, or else this is maybe just your style and/or the way you want it to sound. I would not bother with it if you didn't play so beautifully otherwise. I believe you invest a lot, and successfully, in a beautiful tone, but you seem take your rhythm and tempi just as they comes. Perhaps you don't want to be in control of that, I don't know.

I guess you want to replace your recording on the site with the latest one and leave it at that for the time being ? I don't want to get into regularly replacing recordings with only marginal improvemnts.

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You play bar 5 as if it were a 12/8 bar, and in the last but one bar you drop a beat.

Sorry, it is a reading mistake that I have been doing for a long time...
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in the last but one bar you drop a beat

I detected this recurrent error during my work and corrected it. It came back during the recording sessions. There is the same error in the last exposition of this theme in my recording.

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I guess you want to replace your recording on the site with the latest one and leave it at that for the time being ?

Thank you for your proposal. I am correcting the above errors first. :D


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Hello Dider,

That was a beautiful performance and range of expression.

-Kaila

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Thank you for your proposal. I am correcting the above errors first. :D
If you've recorded a new version, do me a favor and listen back to it, tapping along, making sure you have all the note (and rest!) values right and you don't wildly fluctuate the tempi. I believe such errors are just as disturbing as wrong notes, maybe more. I also believe that it's possible to play with expression AND get the rhythms right AND not sound like a metronome :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Schubert, Moments musicaux, No. 2 in A flat major, Andantino
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Thank you Kaila for your kind words ! :D

Chris, I do not intend to record a new full version that might be not as good as (or worse than) this one. :wink:
I want just to re-record some passages for editing this one: bars 5, 15-16 and 80-81 as mentioned above, and also 42. Except for bar 5, these rhythm issues are also in my recording on PS site.


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Didier wrote:
Chris, I do not intend to record a new full version that might be not as good as (or worse than) this one. :wink:
Hm... you should aspire to get better with each recording.

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I want just to re-record some passages for editing this one: bars 5, 15-16 and 80-81 as mentioned above, and also 42.
That's ok, as long as the edits cannot be heard.

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Except for bar 5, these rhythm issues are also in my recording on PS site.
Yes probably. No reason not to fix them though. A new recording should be significantly better the the old one. Or we should say the quality standards for a rerecording are higher.

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Hi all,

my last attempt ... For 2013. :D

Schubert - Op.94 D780, Moments musicaux, 2. Andantino (7:27)


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This must be the most often re-recorded piece in PS history by now :) Or maybe that honour goes to your previous Schubert recording.

I think this one has improved on points - though it is hard to keep up with all the versions. It is still far from ideal rhythm-wise but nonetheless has much to commend it, and I believe this is good enough for the site.

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