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 Post subject: Chopin Nocturne 32/1 and Nocturne in c-minor
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 11:33 am 
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Sorry about all the nocturnes lately, but these two just got ready before other things I'm working on. First, some explanations: The 32/1 - I may be the only person around who plays the ending like this (on a B-Major chord). But it is in my book, and I do like a happy ending. Leonald has also recorded this nocturne, (we discussed this when he put it up) and he played it very well too, I might add, so this could be like an alternate. Maybe it can be listed as the 'happy ending' version. :)

The second piece, the Nocturne in c-minor, is sort of a mystery - to me, anyway. I found it buried in a pile of music, I know I printed it off the internet some time ago but can't remember from where, it's only three pages long, and isn't even marked as being by Chopin but I sure hope it is. I've looked everywhere for information on it and found only one place that does list it as Chopin's and that it was composed late in his life, sometime in the late 1840's. This too is strange, because this nocturne is much more simplistic than all the other nocturnes so I would have thought it to be composed when he was young. But maybe he was just having one of those 'melancholy' days and maybe not feeling well, either, and this is all he could do that time. I don't know...if anyone has any more information on this, please let me know.

Aside from all that, hope you enjoy these, and yes- it's is really me. :wink:

Chopin - Nocturne Op. 32, No. 1
Chopin - Nocturne in c-minor

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Monica,
sounds really good to me. And this is a genuie recording.... :lol:


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Both nocturnes sound beautiful to me!

In your recordings no notes are uncertain, also the bass notes are clearly audible and give a strong base - very well.

You really are a profound piano player to get it managed to record high quality pieces one after the other in short time!

The posthumus Nocturne sounds indeed way frugal to me, but typical Chopinesque on the other side. The end of 32/1 I find very strange from the composition, but also audacious. What must people be scared in that time, not used to such dissonant harmonies?

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These are again very good recordings of yours. I agree with Olaf that, in both recordings, there are really no ugly-sounding notes or chords. Everything seems right-placed (don't know whether there are slips or misreadings because I haven't played these pieces) and your touch is still very good and sensitive.

Only a few ideas: I think you could take the nocturnes a bit freelier in some places. In the first piece e.g., there are these fermatas; you could wait a bit a longer as this is an important and surprising moment. Regarding the other piece, I found your tempo a bit too slow. Yes, there is no indication and everyone can play it how she/he wants, but I agree with you that it isn't much of an epic nocturne so it could be a bit more straight-forward. The runs are a bit unsure to my ears, too.

That's only the obligatory minor "niggling", of course. :wink: Besides that, everything's fine.

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Thank you John, Olaf and Jan-Felix.

John, yes - these are geniune - recorded in my usual pajama regalia. :)

Jan - I could hold out the fermatas longer. I guess I'm just not overly dramatic, in my playing, anyway. But thanks for the suggestion.

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In your recordings no notes are uncertain, also the bass notes are clearly audible and give a strong base - very well.



Olaf, I’m so glad you noticed the bass notes. I consciously made them stronger. With just these pieces, I now have changed the way I play the low notes. I used to think I was too loud on the left hand, and tried hard to make it softer than my right hand. But then I realized that I like strong bass notes –( I always turn the bass up in my car) so why can’t I hear them in my own playing, too? I’m so appreciative when you and the others say things like this and I know you won’t hold back when I’m doing things wrong too.

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You really are a profound piano player to get it managed to record high quality pieces one after the other in short time!

Now you’re scaring me. Hope you don’t think I’m another Setrak. ( Of course, not, silly, she says as she knocks on her head) My playing is clearly amateur, as anyone can tell, and these two pieces were relatively easy and also short.

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The end of 32/1 I find very strange from the composition, but also audacious. What must people be scared in that time, not used to such dissonant harmonies?


It is a most unusual ending to a nocturne. Talk about making the ‘nocturne style’ his own! It is a little scary, which is why I liked the major chord ending. Or maybe he found the beautiful piece actually did put people to sleep so he added the end to wake everybody up.

Thanks again.

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pianolady wrote:
Olaf, I’m so glad you noticed the bass notes. I consciously made them stronger. With just these pieces, I now have changed the way I play the low notes. I used to think I was too loud on the left hand, and tried hard to make it softer than my right hand. But then I realized that I like strong bass notes –( I always turn the bass up in my car) so why can’t I hear them in my own playing, too? I’m so appreciative when you and the others say things like this and I know you won’t hold back when I’m doing things wrong too.


Your bass voicing shows me what I need to change myself. As I played lately a longer g minor piece by Chopin (you know which piece I mean) before a professional, there was a long gap afterwards and she asked me whether I like to know what she disliked the most in my playing. I thought about the numerous mistakes and wrong notes and was very surprised - she said, the bass voice was much too weak throughout the piece, regardless whether soft or loud passages. You don't suffer from this problem -be glad! Lately, I now play with completely open lid to let out the complete bass, at least what is possible with that short grand I have - in order to listen more to the left hand part.

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Hope you don’t think I’m another Setrak. ( Of course, not, silly, she says as she knocks on her head) My playing is clearly amateur, as anyone can tell, and these two pieces were relatively easy and also short.


If you would post all Chopin's ballades and scherzi and sonatas within some days distance and without any slips I probably would be sceptic...
Easy pieces? With 5 sharps? Amateur? Let's come to a compromise: A very advanced amateur, who enjoys people throughout the world through profound postings at PianoSociety!

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Oh, Olaf. You're so nice. :)

I know exactly what you mean about those low notes. Funny how your teacher said the same thing. Isn't it nice that we can share these ideas?

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Beautifully played, both pieces. I think that C minor Nocturne is definitely by Chopin, I can't think of any other composer who could have written it. But I would have though it is a very early work as well.
The only things I can niggle about are in the 27.2, the strange unisono arpeggio in the penultimate bar, and the D natural in the last chord, which accoring to Paderewski should be D flat - the piece ending in minor as it seems to have been intended, I think.

But again very strong preformances from you. I'l put them up the site. Go for a complete Nocturne cycle now... you can do it.

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They are up the site !

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I do not know this for 100% certain but if I remember this correct, the C minor Nocturne was produced from an unfinished sketch provided by Paris Conservatory Library and published the first time in 1937. I think it was Paderewski who gave it the composition year 1837 which is the most common an accepted year of composition while it for sure sounds like a much more immature work like the C-sharp minor which was composed 1830. Or even more immature.

Great playing of both Nocturnes and if I should give an advice, really suck out the sweets out of the high octave notes in the C minor that repeats in variated form a couple of times. Otherwise, very good Monica.

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Thank you very much Chris and Robert.

Chris, did I play that unisono arpeggio wrong? (do you mean the one in the third to last measure?) I guess I play it kind of fast, but I think I got all the notes. Maybe not? And that d-natural - I've never heard it as a d-flat (at least i don't think so). Someday I guess I'll have to surf around the internet more and look for other versions of this piece.

A complete nocturne cycle? Thanks for the vote of confidence, but I can't. I've run out of nocturnes I can actually play. :lol:

Robert, I'm not sure I know how to suck out the sweets out of the high octave notes, but this makes me laugh. I'm guessing you mean for me to come down louder or longer or stronger or bigger etc...
So if the c-minor was published first in 1837, then Chopin was 27 years old. And you're right that doesn't mean that's when he wrote it. Thanks for the info.

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pianolady wrote:
Chris, did I play that unisono arpeggio wrong? (do you mean the one in the third to last measure?) I guess I play it kind of fast, but I think I got all the notes. Maybe not?

I'd have to listen again. It sounded funny to me - overly rapid, uneven and blurred. Not a big deal though.

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And that d-natural - I've never heard it as a d-flat (at least i don't think so). Someday I guess I'll have to surf around the internet more and look for other versions of this piece.
I can't remember how I ever heard it. But I assume the Padereski score should be correct in having D flat. I think it would be strange that Chopin would turn to major key again in the last note, after tacking such a desperate minor key code on to this optimistic major Nocturne. Also I can't remember any other occasion where he uses a major note for last.

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A complete nocturne cycle? Thanks for the vote of confidence, but I can't. I've run out of nocturnes I can actually play. :lol:

Bollocks... Get practising !

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Robert, I'm not sure I know how to suck out the sweets out of the high octave notes, but this makes me laugh. I'm guessing you mean for me to come down louder or longer or stronger or bigger etc...

You probably played them too sweetly :lol:

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I can't remember how I ever heard it. But I assume the Padereski score should be correct in having D flat. I think it would be strange that Chopin would turn to major key again in the last note, after tacking such a desperate minor key code on to this optimistic major Nocturne. Also I can't remember any other occasion where he uses a major note for last.


Oh, I think I misunderstood you. You're talking about the 'very' last chord I think, the one that I play as a d-sharp. I thought you meant a d-natural a couple chords back from there. I remember you talking about this major/minor end before. Yes, the minor is much more common - I'm just playing what's in my book. I'll be pretty mad if it's a case of a simple 'typo'. I have Schirmer book which I know isn't most reliable but they had to get this d-sharp from somewhere. (I hope)

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Another sensitive recording of Chopin by you! I've never studied either piece, but they both were beautifully played. I noticed how you nicely brought out the bass notes. That adds a lot to your playing. I followed along with my score of the first one, and I found nothing wrong. Your interpretation was right on. I've never heard the second one before, but it sounds like early Chopin to me also. Thanks for the pleasant music.


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Thank you, John.

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