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 Post subject: Scarlatti, Bach and.......
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:59 pm 
Scarlatti Sonatas K450
Scarlatti Sonatas K517
Scarlatti Sonatas K149
Bach Prelude and Fugue C Maj. WTK I book
Stahlbrand Polska n.1
Stahlbrand Waltz n.1

Enjoy them all.
This is the first upload of my Scarlatti recordings (about 20 sonatas).
In the opinion of the italian musicologist Pagano Scarlatti was a bit crazy.
In my interpretations he seems very crazy :) :)
The Bach's prelude is desperately slow: I have no idea about how it must be played.
I hope you enjoy Robert's music also in these version. :)

Sandro "Sarrasani" Bisotti


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 12:25 am 
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[quote="Sandro Bisotti"]Scarlatti Sonatas K450, K517, K149
Bach Prelude and Fugue C Maj. WTK I book
Stahlbrand Polka n.1 and Waltz n.1

Enjoy them all.
This is the first upload of my Scarlatti recordings (about 20 sonatas).
In the opinion of the italian musicologist Pagano Scarlatti was a bit crazy.
In my interpretations he seems very crazy :) :)
The Bach's prelude is desperately slow: I have no idea about how it must be played.
I hope you enjoy Robert's music also in these version. :)

Sandro "Sarrasani" Bisotti[/quote

I thought the Scarlatti were absolutely beautiful! I didn't find them at all crazy. I do wish, though , that you would .make the repeats. I particularly missed the repeats in the G minor.
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 Post subject: Re: Scarlatti, Bach and.......
PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:22 am 
[quote="rsmullyan"][quote="Sandro Bisotti"]Scarlatti Sonatas K450, K517, K149
Bach Prelude and Fugue C Maj. WTK I book
Stahlbrand Polka n.1 and Waltz n.1


>I thought the Scarlatti were absolutely beautiful!

I too.


> I do wish, though , that you would .make the repeats.

It's a choice. I think that in the era of the recordings (and of the simple and easy re-play functions) the "repeat" is a choice of the listener. Without recordings (at Scarlatti's time) it was another story.

All best,
Sandro.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 12:49 pm 
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I think this is the first time in Piano Society history that the composer can critique someone else's interpretation of their composition! ...that is, unless some of you people can talk to dead guys. I wouldn't be surprised :wink:

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This was really interesting and a lot different than I play them! Pretty suprising and I must get used to your romatic way of playing them. You know, I imagined that one could dance to them. I do not say it is wrong and am just happy that someone took the time to actually play them at all and I thank you Sandro a lot for that!

But...I cannot help picking on a few things :P.

In the Polka, you play a bass key wrong in bar 18, 26 etc. and everywhere as that repeats. It should be a G and not a D ;). But otherwise, notwise perfect.
In the Waltz, I am not sure you make the descending diminuendo scale which appears first time in bar 26 right...or perhaps it is me who plays that different than I once wrote in the score.

But thanks again for taking the time to first play and then record them. Shall I put them up on the site?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:15 pm 
Hi Robert!

robert wrote:
You know, I imagined that one could dance to them.

My idea: more one piece is small and simple in his instrumental suit (as x example
"The Seasons" of Coski and "Lyric pieces" of Grieg, and some of early Scriabin's Mazurkas,
and also your pieces, and a lot of music relatively simply and direct) more "important" one
must think they are, and consequently approach and play them.
Your playing is more fresh and direct, as (you write) one could dance to them.
In my version this is not possible, as it's not possible with Chopin's or Scriabin's Mazurkas.


>I do not say it is wrong and am just happy that someone took the time to actually play them at all and I thank you Sandro a lot for that!

And I am happy to play them. Also my wife and friends enjoyed them.


> In the Polka, you play a bass key wrong in bar 18, 26 etc. and everywhere as that repeats.

Incredible! It's so more logis and easy to play the correct note..... :oops:
Too much Scarlatti in these days.

>In the Waltz, I am not sure you make the descending diminuendo scale which appears first time in bar 26 right...or perhaps it is me who plays that different than I once wrote in the score.

Here I play as written in pdf.

>Shall I put them up on the site?


Why not?


All best,
Sandro.


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robert wrote:
In the Polka, you play a bass key wrong in bar 18, 26 etc. and everywhere as that repeats. It should be a G and not a D ;). But otherwise, notwise perfect.

Isn't it a polska as the sheet music indicates? :?

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I like your take on the Stahlbrand Waltz, with the flair and freedom that goes with a Waltz. I'm less convinced about the Polka (the only polka I know that is in tripe meter :) ) where you push and pull the tempo about too much, and do the left-before-right trick rather too insistently. Way I see it, polkas are supposed to be rhythmic and snappy. Nice that you play some pieces of one of our member composers :D

The Bach prelude is indeed a hard thing to decide what to do with. I opted for a fast and flowing approach, and you chose for an excruciatingly slow one. Not sure if either is right or wrong, but I did not have the patience to listen to more than 3 bars of your version.... this thing just gets plain boring at such a snail's pace. The fugue is well done with respect to bringing out the counterpoint.

The Scarlatti's are fantastically played. IMO the best recordings you have submitted so far. Praise be, you mostly refrain from old-world romantic mannerisms and the result is very refreshing. Great stuff ! The only thing I did not like is your rushing of the tempo in the downward passages of the K.517.

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I have now put up all the recordings but for my Polska. I hope you accept it as the reason is the wrong bass key and I really hope you have time to re-record it as the change should be pretty easy to correct. I also took the freedom to merge the Bach Prelude and Fugue.

And once again, thanks a lot for taking the time to interpret my amateur attempts to compose :D.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:27 am 
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>I hope you accept it as the reason is the wrong bass key


Well done Robert. Too much silly and evident error. I'll re-record in next days/weeks.

> And once again, thanks a lot for taking the time to interpret my amateur attempts to compose :D

It seemed to me a funny idea. And it's funny to play your pieces.
You and Chris must impose them as "obliged pieces" for each pianist of the site :) :)

All best,
Sandro


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:47 am 
Hi Chris!


[quote="techneut"]I like your take on the Stahlbrand Waltz, with the flair and freedom that goes with a Waltz. I'm less convinced about the Polka ....

Interesting and logic.


> but I did not have the patience to listen to more than 3 bars of your version....

:evil: :evil: :evil: COWARD! But in this way you have avoided the head-ache. Ok.


> The Scarlatti's are fantastically played.

This is Chris: strokes and caresses. But: wait to hear the slow Sonatas. :lol:

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IMO the best recordings you have submitted so far.

My friends (very expert) think so. And I too.... I hope to play and record a lot of them.
The last 100-150 are so special (more strange than the first, which are more brilliant).
It's 250 yr. from Scarlatti's birth year.


> The only thing I did not like is your rushing of the tempo in the downward passages of the K.517.

Ah. Don't take away these "stringendo" ("serrez", "faster") effects! It's a trademark, as the wrong
notes, the debording "rubato" and the bad english..... :( :)


All best,
Sandro


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Sandro Bisotti wrote:
This is Chris: strokes and caresses.

Well sorry if that is your perception. I am only trying to be fair and objective.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 4:11 pm 
techneut wrote:
Sandro Bisotti wrote:
This is Chris: strokes and caresses.

Well sorry if that is your perception. I am only trying to be fair and objective.


But you are, IMHO, fair and objective. And mine was a compliment.
The sense was : the correctness and the tastes of Chris (because I spoke of you, but
it is valid for everyone who has good experience and cannot love all or hate all)
make him able to be sometimes caressing (to make compliments) or stroking (to make criticism).
That is, IMHO, the behaviour of intelligent and educated person.
My irony was in the words "strokes and caresses" (an exaggeration of your always kind and sincere
opinions) , not about you.
In other words: I think that in the life is good when one knows a man who give both (motivated and intelligent, as in your case) "strokes and caresses" and not only one of them.
Really sorry for the misunderstanding ,

Sandro.


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 Post subject: Re: Scarlatti, Bach and.......
PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 6:08 pm 
>I thought the Scarlatti were absolutely beautiful!

I too.


OOPS. I told so about Scarlatti's sonatas.
If you (as I suspect reading again now) was congratulating with my versions,
thank you.
Which are your favourite Scarlatti players? And your favourite Sonatas?

all best,
Sandro


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Chaotica wrote:
robert wrote:
In the Polka, you play a bass key wrong in bar 18, 26 etc. and everywhere as that repeats. It should be a G and not a D ;). But otherwise, notwise perfect.

Isn't it a polska as the sheet music indicates? :?

Yes you are correct. Polka and Polska is a bit different in construction. Thanks for correcting :).

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