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That's the joke - there is no such key as b-sharp minor or major.

I sat down at the piano and discovered this myself, but then thought maybe I was missing something. Just give me the ‘stupid-question-of-the-day’ award. :)


O no, I am the stupid dumb-ass here - I wrote also b-sharp minor/major for that b-flat minor/major pair in my homepage :oops: :oops: :oops:

Ok, I meant that b-flat minor prelude and fugue. It has 5 flats - for every voice one flat :lol:
Just counted - if I am right, b-sharp minor would have 9 sharps, b-sharp major would have 12 sharps or so.

The only excuse I have is that in German the naming is total different:
English<->German
B <-> H
B flat <-> B
D flat <-> Des
C sharp <-> Cis

The advantage of the German naming is that only a German can handle the famous key sequence in a proper way (numerous pieces for that notes were written including from old Bach itself):

B-A-C-H

Interesting maybe, for that c sharp major pair with 7 sharps there seems to be another score, coded with d flat major and 5 flats. That's something every Chopin lover will appreciate, since it is one of Chopin's most used keys, so one is more used to that. If anyone has the fugue coded as d flat major instead c sharp major I really would be interested to get a hint for a source to buy that.

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Just as an aside, Chopin is quite fond of modulating into keys that have no proper key signature. Like D# major. You don't write pieces in D# major, because that gives you double sharps in the key signature (not allowed!) but Chopin will modulate into those keys without changing signature. :)

Bach probably does it too, but I'm not as widely familiar with Bach stuff as I am with Chopin stuff.

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Speaking of Bach, why is it still "Bach" on the composer side bar in the main site? It should be "Bach J.S." and "Bach C.P" beneath it. :wink:

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Speaking of Bach, why is it still "Bach" on the composer side bar in the main site? It should be "Bach J.S." and "Bach C.P" beneath it. :wink:


Putting Bach below his sons, that would you really demand from Chris? I propose instead, putting Bach and Chopin on top of the complete list, and below come the "other" composers, the poor rest. Is also more ergonomic, see the statistics for the most accessed composers. :lol:

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No no! I meant like this:

Albeniz
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Bach J.S
Bach C.P (or C.P.E)
Balakirev

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I did not imply placing J.S beneath his son, that would be blasphemous :wink: :lol:

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I am certainly not an expert on Bach, but I find playing Bach to be very exciting personally. I never tire of playing his compositions.

Here is the address of my favorite Youtube post. It is Gould practicing apparently in the privacy of his home or studio. At first it seems like he is an insane person, but be sure to watch and listen to the entire post, and I believe you will agree with me that it demonstrates what a genius Gould was. I love it. I even love the dog and birds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB76jxBq ... ed&search=


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That is a stttrraaaaange video! What are those birds doing there, anyway? And the dog sure didn’t seem very excited (big yawn). It’s probably used to hearing so much piano music all the time that it’s immune. But yes, that man can sure play!! I’m not sure what to think about all that singing, though. It’s like he can’t play WITHOUT singing. Still, it kind of adds an additional entertainment element - I would think it would be difficult to just sing something like that, let along sing and play. Maybe that’s what is meant by additional voices in fugues?(kidding)

Thanks John, that was interesting. The bird thing cracks me up.

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I’m not sure what to think about all that singing, though. It’s like he can’t play WITHOUT singing. Still, it kind of adds an additional entertainment element - I would think it would be difficult to just sing something like that, let along sing and play. Maybe that’s what is meant by additional voices in fugues?(kidding)

hehe...in case you didn't notice, Monica, he was playing the fugue that I mentioned earlier (from the Sinfonia of the C Minor Partita). It's one of my favorites, and it's nowhere near easy, and it only has two voices. I no longer feel the need to make my own recording, because he interprets it more like I do, and he plays it much better than I could. :)

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The video...

Ha! That is exactly how I practice, with all the humming and the odd "gagh" of frustration and the pacing and singing. :lol:

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hehe...in case you didn't notice, Monica, he was playing the fugue that I mentioned earlier (from the Sinfonia of the C Minor Partita).

What a coincidence!

Out of curiousity, I went back to Youtube and looked at the first Glenn Gould video that popped up and it was this one: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ag3atJSmgTM
I don't know a thing about partitas, but this was a nice piece. (figures, it's another minor key :wink: ) I just came home from a Cheap Trick concert so this relaxed me. And doesn't Gould look a little like Arthur Fonzarelli (the Fonze)from Happy Days?

I'm watching him again right now and noticing his wrists and high fingers. My teacher is trying to get me to have looser wrists like this. He (my teacher) can produce such a nice tone on the piano, and explains that if I dig into the keys more, use more arm weight, wrists that (look like they)float or swim, I could sound better. I'm trying.
What a nice piece, so soothing. Maybe Bach's not so bad afterall. :)

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I don't know a thing about partitas, but this was a nice piece...

...so soothing. Maybe Bach's not so bad afterall. :)

That is the Partita I am working on this semester. ;)

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I was going to say, “Wow, another coincidence,” except I guess it’s not if I would just pay attention to the titles. :oops: But here’s one: Star Trek Voyager was on last night. :wink: :lol:

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Back to Barenboim...we listened to some of Barenboim's Goldberg Variations in Keyboard Lit today. He's definitely not a purist when it comes to the pedal (as in, he uses it) but I definitely wouldn't say he uses too much. I'm not really intimately familiar with the GV, but I think he did a good job.

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stay away from the fugues!


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What do you mean? Don't play them or don't listen to Barenboim play them?

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What do you mean? Don't play them or don't listen to Barenboim play them?


Both :!:

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Don't listen to him...fugues are awesome! :D

hehe....my roomie is a nursing major, and she's taking music appreciation. So, she's got this organ fugue that she's listening to, and I was trying to help her come up with stuff to say about it. lol...then I notice the title of the piece. It says "Organ Fugue in E Major". :lol: (It's the "Little Fugue" in G Minor...) So, either her teacher is dumb, or she just figured that a bunch of non-musicians would never know the difference...I let her listen to Olaf's recording, because her recording's organ sounds like a tin can.

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Taking a practicing break and feel like giving a progress report on my Bach piece. When my teacher first introduced me to it, I thought, ok – this is all right (the prelude). And it doesn’t look that hard. Now that I’ve been practicing it for a couple weeks, I think it is more than just all right. I like it – a lot! It definitely has grown on me. The way the hands have to be in sync and exact but still make it sound musical is a fun challenge. Can’t really explain it, but practicing at a slow tempo, sometimes my hands can actually do something right, and it’s very satisfying.

This particular prelude is beautiful in the beginning – the RH sings so gently a heart-wrenching melody. Then the faster section comes on and things are light and teasing, until the lower notes jump up the intensity. Then everything comes crashing down near the end and resolves on an E major chord. I love that!

Oh, and it certainly isn’t easy. Terez, I remember you talking about percussive playing in Bach. For now, because I cheat with the pedal sometimes, I’m not allowed to use it. My teacher wants me to develop more even playing between each finger and phrase. So I’m really playing in a more legato fashion, which sounds good to my ears.

I still have tons of work to do on the prelude. The fugue is in even earlier stages, but it is also getting to the point where I’m enjoying the intercourse between the voices. Not sure about playing a fugue with more than two voices, though. That might drive me crazy. Still, I can’t wait to see (hear) how far I can get with these pieces.

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Next update -

My Bach piece is getting worse, instead of better. I practice and practice and thought it wasn't half-bad a couple days ago. Today, it's terrible. What is going on? Maybe I'm just not cut out for Bach. All my fingers do now is trip over each other. :(

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If it's getting worse, then slow it down. I just went through that "getting worse" phase with my Bach piece. But I made it through. :D Try playing it with a metronome set on double time (so that you get more beat divisions) at a tempo you can handle with ease.

Also, you might just be having a bad day on it. Give it a rest for a day or two, and work on something else, and come back to it with a fresh attitude. ;)

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My Bach piece is getting worse, instead of better. I practice and practice and thought it wasn't half-bad a couple days ago. Today, it's terrible. What is going on? Maybe I'm just not cut out for Bach. All my fingers do now is trip over each other. :(


Theres always times when u practice piano, u feel really awkward and think that ur doing bad.
But u have to stick to it :D
Try playing slower, usually it takes few months to fully complete a difficult bach piece and well-tempered clavier is difficult.


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It's nice to have friends here who understand. Thanks to both of you for your support. I get a little 'down in the dumps' from time to time. It's so frustrating when you put in so much time at something and don't see any improvement.

The metronome is a good idea. I did use it some days ago, but I'm so impatient and think I can just sit down and play without hard, disciplined practice. I need reminding. And it's funny; I tell others to do these things all the time, yet I don't tell myself.

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usually it takes few months to fully complete a difficult bach piece and well-tempered clavier is difficult.


Argh! :lol:

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usually it takes few months to fully complete a difficult bach piece and well-tempered clavier is difficult.


Argh! :lol:



Yes, but the product is well worth the effort!

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The metronome is a good idea. I did use it some days ago, but I'm so impatient and think I can just sit down and play without hard, disciplined practice. I need reminding. And it's funny; I tell others to do these things all the time, yet I don't tell myself.

I think the metronome is especially vital with Bach, because of the level of precision that is implicit in all of his music.

Good luck, Monica - I hope you make it over your hump soon. ;)

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Well...I think I'm over that hump. Today was a better day on the Prelude and Fugue. (still not done, though)

Except now I have developed a habit of clenching my teeth together so hard while I play that I end up with a huge headache. I never used to do this. Obviously, I'm doing it because of tension. I don't really feel like there is tension all the time in my hands, but there sure is in my mouth. Sheesh!
Does this happen to any of you?

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Except now I have developed a habit of clenching my teeth together so hard while I play that I end up with a huge headache.


Friday in the weightroom I saw a guy having a mouthguard in when he was doing Barbell Shoulder presses. Maybe you should goto your local sports store and buy a mouth guard (fitted to your size...being a woman, i recall, 5'3"-ish, it would be a "small") and wear it while you think you are clenching your jaws. See what happens with it in.

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I know you are trying to be helpful, but I tried playing through the fugue after I read this and started cracking up. I pictured myself sitting at the piano wearing some weird mouth contraption thingy, and now I don't know if I'll ever be able to play this with a straight face. But not only that, if I did get one of those things, I would only clench down on it instead of my teeth, so it probably wouldn't do any good. Still - thanks for a good laugh. ( :lol: :lol: me sitting at the piano looking like I'm ready to go into the boxing ring :lol: )

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Those things make you drool anyway. :lol:

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Those things make you drool anyway. :lol:


There is a technique of swallowing with a mouthguard in. I think I mastered it in my fifth year of football (I only played 6) :wink:

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Terez wrote:
Those things make you drool anyway. :lol:


Now there's a pretty picture! :lol: :lol:

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Hey Monica...I went to a doctoral piano recital this afternoon, and heard an arrangement of your prelude by Siloti (and also transposed to B minor). It was interesting...

This was her lineup:

Siloti/Bach Prelude
Mozart K 179 Variations on a minuet by Fisher
The Lark (Glinka song arranged by Balakirev)
Debussy L'isle joyeuse
intermission
Mussorgsky, Pictures

The first half of the program was awesome. Really, really awesome. Pictures disappointed, unfortunately...

EDIT: I just realized that it wasn't precisely your prelude that Siloti arranged. It was an earlier version that Bach later morphed into the WTC version. I was wondering why Siloti didn't do anything with the presto section, which is my favorite part. :lol:

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Hey Terez,

It's nice that you get to go to a lot of recitals.

It's been awhile since I have thought about Bach. I have plenty of other stuff I'm working on right now, but someday I should try out another Bach piece. I wouldn't mind another p/f and wonder if there are any slow ones? Although John R once suggested something else by Bach but I can't remember what. Oh, and I think you have suggested one or two or ten other pieces too! :lol:

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Hey Terez,

It's nice that you get to go to a lot of recitals.

Get to go, yes, but "have to go" is a lot more accurate. I've sat through a lot of stuff I otherwise wouldn't have sat through for recital credit. :lol:

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It's been awhile since I have thought about Bach. I have plenty of other stuff I'm working on right now, but someday I should try out another Bach piece. I wouldn't mind another p/f and wonder if there are any slow ones? Although John R once suggested something else by Bach but I can't remember what. Oh, and I think you have suggested one or two or ten other pieces too! :lol:

I remember the one John recommended cause it's the one I just played for an audition last spring - the WTC I-22 set in B-flat minor. You will luuuuuuuuuuuv the prelude (it's very romantic), and the fugue is that (relatively) easy 5-voice fugue I was telling you about. ;)

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