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 Post subject: Saint-saens' etude Op. 111 no. 6 (toccata) HELP!!
PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:00 pm 
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Hi, i'd love to learn this lovely etude but i'm having some difficulties with the RH in the beginning bars, trying to sustain the top note while double trilling.

Can anyone offer any advice on a good fingering to adopt? My hands are stuck playing it. Thanks a lot :)


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 Post subject: Re: Saint-saens' etude Op. 111 no. 6 (toccata) HELP!!
PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:32 pm 
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pialinist wrote:
Hi, i'd love to learn this lovely etude but i'm having some difficulties with the RH in the beginning bars, trying to sustain the top note while double trilling.

Can anyone offer any advice on a good fingering to adopt? My hands are stuck playing it. Thanks a lot :)

I don't know this piece but it looks awkward if you want to preserve the top note without using the sustain pedal. A theoretical possibility may be to (in the first bar) take the RH D-sharp with the LH. That way it could be played legato. But I haven't tried this out and don't know if same can be done in all similar bars.

Actually, if you simply leave out that RH D-sharp, I doubt if anybody would notice when played at proper speed. A bit cheating, but a trick not uncommon with professional pianists ! You should not let one awkward note get in the way of you playing this piece. If you can't win, give in ;-)

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 Post subject: Re: Saint-saens' etude Op. 111 no. 6 (toccata) HELP!!
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techneut wrote:
If you can't win, give in ;-)


Or if at first you don't succeed, stop trying. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Saint-saens' etude Op. 111 no. 6 (toccata) HELP!!
PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:39 pm 
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juufa72 wrote:
techneut wrote:
If you can't win, give in ;-)


Or if at first you don't succeed, stop trying. :lol:


A third one: if you can't win, fight later.

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i managed to get some tips from pros. they gave me different fingerings all requiring me to hold the top note. Guess i needa figure out a suitable fingering for myself. Anw thanks for the brilliant trick, techneut.

To alf, I will fight later lol cuz i've exams to deal with right now :D


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pialinist wrote:
Anw thanks for the brilliant trick, techneut.

Did it work, then ?

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pialinist wrote:
i managed to get some tips from pros. they gave me different fingerings all requiring me to hold the top note. Guess i needa figure out a suitable fingering for myself. Anw thanks for the brilliant trick, techneut.

To alf, I will fight later lol cuz i've exams to deal with right now :D


It'd be nice to share which tips you got! :D

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Actually the 'tips' helped to confirm that it's possible to play all the notes while sustaining the top note. It's just a matter of finding a suitable fingering. No matter which u use it'll be weird at first cuz of the stretch in between the 4th n 5th fingers. So choose a less awkward fingering and start practising slowly. (quite common sense :D)

Anyways, i'm trying out alternating 24 n 13 for the trills.


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techneut wrote:
pialinist wrote:
Anw thanks for the brilliant trick, techneut.

Did it work, then ?


i guess it would work but i'll stick to playing all the notes with the RH as written first.


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