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 Post subject: Re: Hand-over-hand technique
PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:09 am 
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If it means anything one trick that helps me lots when doing big jumps is sitting in the same comfortable spot. If I am always moving, then my hand motions are always different. It makes it hard to remember your hand motions if they are not always the same! If I sit in the same spot after a little while I can play eyes almost closed. Although I should say I never actually tried to play this piece so I might be speaking out of turn. There are also other tricks to learning jumps I think :)

[quote="juufa72"]Hello all,

I have decided to dust off my Hungarian Rhapsody #5 because it is an underrated rhapsody. Sure it's long and lacks a friska, but it has it's moments.

But the problem I am having is playing a chord in the left hand then an apregg. on the higher registers with that hand, while playing something in the same spot with my right hand.

Any tips? Especially for small(er) hands and a big(ger) chest / frame? ( I knew that weightlifting like Schwarzenegger wouldn't be a good idea :x :wink: )

Thanks,

-jg

p..s I posted the sheet music below. The trouble begins on page 6.[/quote]


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 Post subject: Re: Hand-over-hand technique
PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:00 am 
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s_winitsky wrote:
If it means anything one trick that helps me lots when doing big jumps is sitting in the same comfortable spot. If I am always moving, then my hand motions are always different. It makes it hard to remember your hand motions if they are not always the same! If I sit in the same spot after a little while I can play eyes almost closed. Although I should say I never actually tried to play this piece so I might be speaking out of turn. There are also other tricks to learning jumps I think :)

This seems to make sense. It is for the same reason that organists are recommened to keep the knees together as much as possible, making it easier for the feet to remember and find their positions from a central pivot point.

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 Post subject: Re: Hand-over-hand technique
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juufa72 wrote:
But the problem I am having is playing a chord in the left hand then an apregg. on the higher registers with that hand, while playing something in the same spot with my right hand.

I guess it's the high LH arpeggios that give you trouble, not the low (un-crossed) ones ?

There are 3 reasons that may make these difficult:

1) The stretch, as you have small hands
2) The fact that the LH must play over the right (though the distance is not great, that can't be the problem as you are not Terez :lol: )
3) The high lying position of the LH, which perhaps necessitates a posture change

I recommend trying to find out which of these 3 aspects is causing you the most trouble, and practice them on their own. This is just an idea, I never tried something like this as these bars never gave me trouble. Sound like it might work though...

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I will give it a try and see which of the three you pointed out gives me the most trouble.

But that will have to wait until I am back at home. Classes stared last week (this is week #2 of 17) and I am already behind. :evil: :?

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juufa72 wrote:
Classes stared last week

They have been staring you in the face haven't they ? :P

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this question is a bit off-topic but in same genre.

Do any of you guys slide around laterally on the piano bench during a piece? I've been finding recently some pieces are much easier if I sit more to one side or the other. And during some pieces I have to slide to one side for some passages. Is that kosher? or is my bellybutton supposed to always point at middle C?

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That's exactly what I have to do for that Beethoven piece. I scoot to the right and then come back center after the cross over part.

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i have seen lots of pros slide on the bench when doing scales / chords / hand over hand. sometimes it looks like would almost fall off the bench especially towards the finale of a piece.

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I would die laughing if I saw someone do that. (except if it was me, or course)

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Do you always scoot to the same spot or just in the most comfortable way, or both?

[quote="pianolady"]That's exactly what I have to do for that Beethoven piece. I scoot to the right and then come back center after the cross over part.[/quote]


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I use an 'artists' bench, so I can only scoot over about 5 inches without falling off. But I still need to lean to the right as well. That's only for about one measure, though. So, this scooting and leaning does help me. (probably looks weird)

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