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 Post subject: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:26 pm 
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Just in case you wonder where Alexandre Diass Nazareth recordings have gone: he asked us to remove them from the site as he will be selling them commercially on CdBaby. A great pity but we do have to respect these wishes I guess.

On the other hand, I quite feel like adding a clause that all submitted recordings become our property.

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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:18 pm 
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As like most of us here, his recordings are already spread out all over the Internet on those seemingly endless sites that play our recordings. You know....beemp3, mp3chief, etc.... I doubt anyone could ever get their personal recordings off the Internet once they've been hosted on a free site like ours.

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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:04 pm 
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Most of these sites are link farms, only hosting links to our site which are now dead links. But it's not unthinkable that some of them will have copies.

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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:47 pm 
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The very first link I tried played his recording. He's doomed....
And that's why I've said many times that I wish we could prevent other sites from taking our recordings.

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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:03 pm 
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What link was that ? Any that I found where links to our site, or else required to to click a dozen buttons, or required to install a download manager, in which case I gave up. Anyway he's probably not doomed, CD's sell even despite bootleg recordings on the web (look at all the stuff on YT).

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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:13 pm 
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I meant he's doomed because he won't be able to get all his recordings off all these other sites like this one:


http://www.mp3chief.com/music/ernesto-nazareth/

There are about a dozen recordings. You just click on 'play' and it plays! I guess we can't know if the recording came from us or somewhere else though, right?

p.s. I think you should delete this link after you have seen it. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:24 am 
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Well that is interesting. Not only has this Carlos Cipriano downloaded a lot of files, but he's also renamed and resampled them, altered ID3 tags, and made them into a podcast. Because of the different ID3 tags it is indeed not sure they came from us.

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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:55 pm 
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For the heck of it I just typed my name in the search (Mp3Chief) and hundreds of my files came up. But they don't play. Then I tried your name and same thing happened. Why are they listed I wonder? Weird....

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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
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At least he's giving you credit?

Still, it's creepy, and technically is stealing I think, as it is against the terms of use of this site.


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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:46 pm 
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pianolady wrote:
For the heck of it I just typed my name in the search (Mp3Chief) and hundreds of my files came up. But they don't play. Then I tried your name and same thing happened.

This is because Robert's prevention of hotlinking actually works. You can not play our files via another site. Those of Dias did work because they had been copied to another site which obviously doesn't have (or want to have) that restriction.

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Why are they listed I wonder? Weird....
It's not weird. There are dozens of search bots that crawl the net for references to mp3 files and present those links on their own site. Whether a link does or doesn't work, these bots have no way of knowing.

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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
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techneut wrote:
pianolady wrote:
For the heck of it I just typed my name in the search (Mp3Chief) and hundreds of my files came up. But they don't play. Then I tried your name and same thing happened.

This is because Robert's prevention of hotlinking actually works. You can not play our files via another site. Those of Dias did work because they had been copied to another site which obviously doesn't have (or want to have) that restriction.


Go to playlist.com and type in your name. I did my name and again many files popped up--except they play. I don't see any reference back to Piano Society.

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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:58 pm 
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pianolady wrote:
Go to playlist.com and type in your name. I did my name and again many files popped up--except they play. I don't see any reference back to Piano Society.

They don't play for me, nothing happens when I click the play icon. Indeed I saw no reference to our site on these pages. But that does not mean much. It could all be scripted.

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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
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techneut wrote:
pianolady wrote:
Go to playlist.com and type in your name. I did my name and again many files popped up--except they play. I don't see any reference back to Piano Society.

They don't play for me, nothing happens when I click the play icon. Indeed I saw no reference to our site on these pages. But that does not mean much. It could all be scripted.

Weird again! I punched you up and your files play. There is an image to the left of the file that looks like a record. It turns into a play button when you mouse over it. Maybe they have found a way around hotlinking? Oh well, seems like there is nothing can do about it. I also found one of my recordings that we took off our site because of copyright issues, yet it still plays of their site.

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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:54 am 
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This thread is of some interest to me, partly because the recordings I've recently made/uploaded are intended for sale via CdBaby or similar. I did specifically think in advance about any potential clashes between uploaded-to-PS recordings and saleable recordings. I can see both sides of the coin. It's easy to sympathise with the thought that if you're selling rare recordings it makes little sense to have them freely available. On the other hand it seems slightly churlish to offer free recordings to a not-for-profit site and then withdraw them on financial grounds (assuming that is the motive). A difficult problem. On my part I've made sure that, just on the off-chance of there ever arising some future copyright clash between PS and wherever I sell them, there are marginal editing differences between what is here and what is on my CD.

[quote="techneut"]On the other hand, I quite feel like adding a clause that all submitted recordings become our property.[/quote]

Not sure I agree with this. Such a clause may discourage people from uploading; and that's assuming they were to read it in the first place. Plus in principle such a clause is practically unpoliceable and liable to generate ill-will.

[quote="pianolady"]As like most of us here, his recordings are already spread out all over the Internet on those seemingly endless sites that play our recordings. You know....beemp3, mp3chief, etc.... I doubt anyone could ever get their personal recordings off the Internet once they've been hosted on a free site like ours.[/quote]

Agreed; having them taken down from here seems like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. http://www.classiccat.net/performers/indexca.php (I've not checked if the links work, but there are an awful lot of PS recordings listed).


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 Post subject: Re: Alexandre Dias' Nazareth recordings
PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:09 am 
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andrew wrote:
Not sure I agree with this. Such a clause may discourage people from uploading; and that's assuming they were to read it in the first place. Plus in principle such a clause is practically unpoliceable and liable to generate ill-will.
Maybe. At least we would have the right to say "No, we will not remove it from the site".

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Agreed; having them taken down from here seems like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted.
Which makes perfect sense if you have more horses !

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http://www.classiccat.net/performers/indexca.php (I've not checked if the links work, but there are an awful lot of PS recordings listed).
Yes but Classiccat is very clever and does the right thing, it links to our pages rather than directly to our mp3's. That is how we want it.

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